Free NARCAN (Read 13786 times)

zippz

Free NARCAN
« on: October 05, 2023, 07:32:37 PM »
I just placed an online order for a couple of doses of Narcan to treat fentanyl overdose.  It's free, mailed to you, and you could save a life.  It's easy to get fentanyl poisoning by breathing it in or touching your eyes, nose, or mouth with traces of it.  Especially handy for first responders and those that deal with the homeless and drug users.

https://www.hhhrc.org/naloxone

Videos of fentanyl overdose

« Last Edit: October 05, 2023, 09:39:21 PM by zippz »

oldfart

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2023, 08:35:28 PM »
I got mine.
I gave one to a friend who is a social worker down Waianae side.
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macsak

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2023, 09:01:48 PM »
already posted earlier...

hvybarrels

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2023, 11:11:38 PM »
If it's chronics then that's just Darwin's theory at work, but as the cop video shows too many people get exposed by accident.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2023, 11:37:21 PM »
Breathing ...

If can, can.

If no can, NARCAN.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2023, 08:39:16 AM »
If it's chronics then that's just Darwin's theory at work, but as the cop video shows too many people get exposed by accident.
Too many people or too many first responders?

Are there stats on regular people ODing? As in not cause someone in the home is a user, at a club and took a laced substance, but like at a walmart and grabbed a box of cereal that had fent on it, at a restaurant and touched a fork with fent on it, etc...

What im getting at is theres drugs in the home, then  the non user knows about it, which is why theyre ordering narcan. And if this is the situtation, then its on them for allowing drug use where innocents are present.

Vids of people ODing on the street, screw them. 1 less drug user.



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ren

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2023, 08:45:12 AM »
Too many people or too many first responders?

Are there stats on regular people ODing? As in not cause someone in the home is a user, at a club and took a laced substance, but like at a walmart and grabbed a box of cereal that had fent on it, at a restaurant and touched a fork with fent on it, etc...

What im getting at is theres drugs in the home, then  the non user knows about it, which is why theyre ordering narcan. And if this is the situtation, then its on them for allowing drug use where innocents are present.

Vids of people ODing on the street, screw them. 1 less drug user.



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there's a bit of exaggeration from the media there....
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ren

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2023, 08:58:37 AM »
how about just say NO
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2023, 10:58:10 AM »
There's no better way to advocate for a group causing their own demise than to preach how innocent people outside the group are also dying from the same thing.

The same tactic was used with AIDS.  Before prominent people of society came out as HIV positive, it was a disease that only impacted gays, Haitians and intravenous drug users who shared needles.

So, how did people outside that group get infected?  Mostly by getting blood transfusions from a blood supply that was infected by people from that original group.

Research and treatment was stepped up when people who did nothing "wrong" contracted it. 

I see the same parallel here.  Most don't care if people illegally using a drug kill themselves.  Their body, their life, their choice. 

But, as soon as someone who did nothing wrong gets impacted, it becomes a priority to save their lives.

Same question as with AIDS:  how did the innocents get exposed?  That drug would not be as prolific today were it not for the users. 

But, since people who did nothing wrong are affected, we now need NARCAN to save their lives.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2023, 11:00:24 AM »
Too many people or too many first responders?
Are there stats on regular people ODing?

I don't know the stats, but I'm sure it happens depending on interactions with or near drug users.  I deal with the homeless a lot so I'm very concerned.  HPD has a big problem with their officers getting hit with fentanyl.

I don't know if the public is getting hit, but I'd imagine it can easily happen.  Store clerks and people walking in bad areas.  Maybe you see a good Samaritan doing CPR on a homeless guy and getting OD.

It takes very little fentanyl to OD.  Just breathing in some blown off someone's clothes can mess you up.



ren

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2023, 01:20:01 PM »
I don't know the stats, but I'm sure it happens depending on interactions with or near drug users.  I deal with the homeless a lot so I'm very concerned.  HPD has a big problem with their officers getting hit with fentanyl.

I don't know if the public is getting hit, but I'd imagine it can easily happen.  Store clerks and people walking in bad areas.  Maybe you see a good Samaritan doing CPR on a homeless guy and getting OD.

It takes very little fentanyl to OD.  Just breathing in some blown off someone's clothes can mess you up.





sources of that info?
With all this money floating around I guess its the demand that up...
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ren

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2023, 01:33:03 PM »
https://news.cuanschutz.edu/news-stories/fentanyl-and-counterfeit-prescription-drugs-facts-and-myths

What are some common myths about fentanyl?

At the consortium, we have a whole presentation called “Fentanyl MythBusters.” There are a few main myths that keep circulating despite being debunked.

Myth 1: “If fentanyl is in the room, and I touch it or inhale it, I'm going to overdose and die.” That is not true. Fentanyl is not a highly volatile compound. So it doesn’t sublimate (become vapor). It's really hard to get fentanyl into your body unless you directly snort it into your nose, directly drink it or inject it with a needle. Because otherwise it just doesn't go through the skin very well.

Myth 2: “Being near fentanyl causes serious effects.” After finding out they are near fentanyl, some people report being anxious or feeling like their heart rate increases, that a panic attack is occurring or that they are going to pass out. This is a myth. What happened was they hyperventilated, and they passed out from anxiety about fentanyl, not from fentanyl. We call it the nocebo effect. People don't realize how strong the power of suggestion is: Your expectation of a good thing or your expectation of a bad thing, and then it actually manifests.

Myth 3: “I will get hurt trying to render aid in an overdose situation.” Naloxone is very effective and can save a life. Don’t let the presence of fentanyl keep you from helping a friend, family member or stranger with an overdose. We can't afford that. We had over 2,000 people in Colorado die last year from drug overdoses. More than half of them involved fentanyl. We can't afford to have people be afraid to render aid for a reason that is unwarranted.

Myth 4: “Fentanyl is everywhere, and every pill is laced, even cannabis.” Not true. We also haven't seen anything yet in vaping. It would be really hard to vape fentanyl because the boiling point to get it into vaporizing is about 875 degrees, and most of the vape pens heat to about 400 or 425 degrees, maximum. Your lungs would be severely damaged at those temperatures. As for cannabis, there’s no marketing advantage with some of these prevalence myths.


https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/sep/04/common-myths-about-fentanyl-debunked-no-you-cant-a/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fighting-crisis/202001/the-fentanyl-hysteria-fact-and-fiction
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zippz

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2023, 02:12:56 PM »
sources of that info?
With all this money floating around I guess its the demand that up...

Stats was from a civil beat article.  https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/08/fentanyl-users-are-becoming-first-responders-as-ods-surge/

Good to know it's harder to get fentanyl poisoning by touching or inhaling. Still good to have Narcan for dealing with high risk people.
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ren

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2023, 04:21:46 PM »
If it's an innocent victim help them.   But let the druggies die.  We keep saving them instead of letting natural selection work.

what an awful thing to say
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2023, 04:50:35 PM »
what an awful thing to say

Next, we should let all the Democrat-run cities go down in flames.  if they want the criminals on the streets, great.  Evacuate the people who want out of the city, and leave the rest to go full-on Escape from New York.

Just give the evacuees refugee status just like the illegals pouring over the border paying for their living expense until they resettle.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2023, 05:40:06 PM »
I am a huge fan of Darwinism. But he didn't invent it. It's just mother nature doing what she does best. The reason I ordered some narcan was because a friend works with high risk people and I like being prepared myself. I do find drug paraphernalia near my house which is next to an elementary school.
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ren

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2023, 07:17:22 PM »

Drug addicts make up most of the homeless.   When they die, there will be less homeless.  Refugees should only be allowed when they legally apply, all others should be considered invaders and should be treated as such.   Mine the whole boarder and make sure everyone knows and illegal crossings along with cartels will decrease one way or another.

are you using the Narcan while you were typing this response?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2023, 08:02:40 PM »

Drug addicts make up most of the homeless.   When they die, there will be less homeless.  Refugees should only be allowed when they legally apply, all others should be considered invaders and should be treated as such.   Mine the whole boarder and make sure everyone knows and illegal crossings along with cartels will decrease one way or another.

Mines have been banned for over 20 years.  Most countries consider using mines to be a war crime.

I guess this is who you are.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2023, 08:38:56 PM »
Chemical warfare from China. Jokes on them though. We're the best customers who they steal all their ideas from. Without us their economy is hollowing out under communism.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/04/china-fentanyl-sanctions-opioids-us-treasury-mexico-drug-cartels/
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zippz

Re: Free NARCAN
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2023, 09:00:12 PM »
To each their own.  I'll help a druggie spazzing even if I hate them, but this is America where people have a choice to help others or not.

except when it comes to taxes  :rofl: