Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas (Read 5011 times)

QUIETShooter

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Chrashd

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2023, 10:15:30 AM »
Was their own missile malfunctioned looped back and hit the hospital which had a munitions bunker under it.

oldfart

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2023, 12:34:10 PM »
It's how wars are fought nowadays...especially nowadays.
Control information, control people.
To win a war you NEED to control the hearts and minds of the people.
What, Me Worry?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2023, 02:06:50 PM »
It's how wars are fought nowadays...especially nowadays.
Control information, control people.
To win a war you NEED to control the hearts and minds of the people.

The world is so densely populated now, it's almost impossible to kill/capture enough fighters from one side to force a surrender.  That's not even factoring in the terrorism aspect that isn't being conducted by any legitimate state.

I saw a comparison that if you take the ~1200 killed in that one attackoin Israel and compare to the US's population, it would be like killing 40,800 here.

Israel has about 9.5 million residents.  US has over 326 million, or 34 times their number. 

Our 9/11 killed almost 3,000, not counting the wars. 

This past weekend was Israel's 9/11.

The US is in no position to ask Israel to show restraint in their response, not after the 2 decades we spent trying to make sure terrorists can't hit us like they did ever again.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2023, 04:24:13 PM »
In my opinion the truth lies under that hospital.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/maddow-on-the-gaza-hospital-bombing-we-as-humans-have-to-believe-that-the-truth-matters/vi-AA1iogO4?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=989c07f5c12341afa875ef5dbec8f82c&ei=55

Best place to hide stuff. If it gets hit, then you recruit more toward the cause. If it doesn't, then you're protected.  How many who work there know about the stash and kept silent.  Now their silence is being paid for. 

Flapp_Jackson

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2023, 06:42:18 PM »
Not sure who's side this is supposed to help

The F in Communism stands for Food

eyeeatingfish

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2023, 10:13:38 PM »
Not sure who's side this is supposed to help



Effing retards... do they not know they would be thrown from a roof of a tall building for being gay?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2023, 10:15:24 PM »
I think it is too early to know who fired the shot, the evidence is inconclusive.
Anything is possible in war though, could have been Israel or Palestine. What is certain is that both sides will paint it in a way to try and benefit themselves.

QUIETShooter

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2023, 06:53:02 AM »
This is why terrorism is pure evil.

Their real weapon is innocent people.

When you go after the terrorists it gets worse.  They throw innocent people in front of them while they slowly back away.

Only to come back another day.

Pure evil.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

macsak

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2023, 06:58:31 PM »
inconclusive?
please show evidence that shows it may have been an israeli air strike...




I think it is too early to know who fired the shot, the evidence is inconclusive.
Anything is possible in war though, could have been Israel or Palestine. What is certain is that both sides will paint it in a way to try and benefit themselves.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2023, 09:56:17 PM »
inconclusive?
please show evidence that shows it may have been an israeli air strike...


Even Al Jezeera said it was inconclusive when you would expect their bias to want to say it was Israel.

I have learned since I posted that the US intelligence is now saying all signs point towards a Hamas rocket. Earlier on the evidence didn't seem as strong but now more information is known making it look like it was Hamas,

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2023, 11:30:41 PM »
Video now shows the hospital in question was not damaged.  There were no huge numbers of people killed (not 500, not 50, not 5).

The most that happened was a parking lot fire.  The cause is suspected to have been the payload of a Hamas rocket accidentally separating from the fuselage and falling on the lot.

So, instead of getting sucked into the propaganda of terrorists, maybe certain people (you know who you are) need to use a little common sense before commenting as if the facts presented were even true.


« Last Edit: October 18, 2023, 11:37:37 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2023, 12:47:58 AM »
Remember the fake white helmets and poison gas attacks that never happened in Syria? Everyone does this. They call it the fog of war but it's more like a stream of bullshit.

I've learned to not pay any attention to battlefield developments and just focus on getting ready for the orgy of defense spending that will collapse the dollar just a little bit faster.
The F in Communism stands for Food

macsak

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2023, 05:26:56 AM »
Even Al Jezeera said it was inconclusive when you would expect their bias to want to say it was Israel.

I have learned since I posted that the US intelligence is now saying all signs point towards a Hamas rocket. Earlier on the evidence didn't seem as strong but now more information is known making it look like it was Hamas,

at the time you posted that it was inconclusive, all that info had already been released...

zippz

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2023, 07:59:43 AM »
The media was atrocious in this incident.  Some outright saying it was Israel.  Most others knowingly and strongly implying it was Israel with the caveat buried in the article quoting the Palestinians.  The UN Secretary General and World Health Org sounded like they were blaming Israel the same way.

This bias will likely lead to more American and Israeli deaths from wars, riots, and terrorism.

CNN had a headline very similar to this with the same picture and only.changed it lastnight.  A picture in no way relates to the hospital incident.



changemyoil66

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2023, 08:40:30 AM »
The problem is that many still trust the media.  I mean we don't have to get into it but Russia cough cough, Trump cough cough, Ukraine cough cough, etc...

And those in other countries probably don't have freedom of press, so they only believe what they're told.  So I get that the US Embassy's would be attacked due to their lack of information sources.  Plus I'm sure many were looking for a reason to attack.

changemyoil66

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2023, 08:41:42 AM »
Not sure who's side this is supposed to help



WHat's interesting on cultural differences (USA vs. Islam), it's not uncommon to see 2 men holding hands who aren't gay.  It's a sign of respect.  I've seen the same in Taiwan, but only with 2 women. Often 1 is older than the other.  But never 2 guys.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2023, 09:42:05 AM »
WHat's interesting on cultural differences (USA vs. Islam), it's not uncommon to see 2 men holding hands who aren't gay.  It's a sign of respect.  I've seen the same in Taiwan, but only with 2 women. Often 1 is older than the other.  But never 2 guys.

holding hands, hugging, a kiss on the cheek .... none of that is against Islam.  Traditions for greetings and show of affection (not sexual) have been changed from century to century, country to country.  Some European countries always kiss the cheek for greetings -- some places on cheek, others both cheeks. 

After spending time in Saudi Arabia, the personal space between friends is much less than here.

None of that has anything to do with sexual preference/orientation.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw