Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas (Read 4997 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2023, 10:30:42 AM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2023, 10:45:21 AM »
Some people prefer you kiss a different cheek..... :wave:

holding hands, hugging, a kiss on the cheek .... none of that is against Islam.  Traditions for greetings and show of affection (not sexual) have been changed from century to century, country to country.  Some European countries always kiss the cheek for greetings -- some places on cheek, others both cheeks. 

After spending time in Saudi Arabia, the personal space between friends is much less than here.

None of that has anything to do with sexual preference/orientation.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2023, 11:05:24 AM »


This hospital fiasco BS infuriates me so much.

I want Israel to go in already.  Boots on the ground.  Warnings to civilians to get out of a suspected terrorist haven.  Then go in.  It's going to be ugly.  It's going to be horrifying.  No guarantees for hostages or innocents.  Kill all the puke terrorists.  No prisoners.  Kill.  Look what happened to a prisoner Israel released.  He ended up one of the leaders of the Oct. 6 massacre.

After that, move on to the next target.  One by one.  Screw whatever lies on the internet.  Secured areas can have security details in place while displaced civilians can have a place to shelter and seek food, water, and medical assistance.  Have this security detail be the responsibility of the UN Peacekeepers.  Allow International assistance to these areas.

There really is no other way.  Yes, it risks escalation even WW3.  But as long as the world sees an effort is being made to protect civilians while seeking out terrorists, only fools would start WW3. 
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2023, 01:52:13 PM »
This hospital fiasco BS infuriates me so much.

I want Israel to go in already.  Boots on the ground.  Warnings to civilians to get out of a suspected terrorist haven.  Then go in.  It's going to be ugly.  It's going to be horrifying.  No guarantees for hostages or innocents.  Kill all the puke terrorists.  No prisoners.  Kill.  Look what happened to a prisoner Israel released.  He ended up one of the leaders of the Oct. 6 massacre.

After that, move on to the next target.  One by one.  Screw whatever lies on the internet.  Secured areas can have security details in place while displaced civilians can have a place to shelter and seek food, water, and medical assistance.  Have this security detail be the responsibility of the UN Peacekeepers.  Allow International assistance to these areas.

There really is no other way.  Yes, it risks escalation even WW3.  But as long as the world sees an effort is being made to protect civilians while seeking out terrorists, only fools would start WW3.

That would be like trying to find the leaders in a colony of cockroaches.  Even if you're able to find and exterminate the ones leading the Jihadists and obtaining weapons, there's always going to be another to take their place.

There's only one tactic that might work, and that is something the writers of The Walking Dead explored.

Surround the opponent with enough firepower and people that their chances of victory in a direct battle is zero.

Then, offer a choice to the people:  join your people and be part of the nation under one government, or GTFO.

Anyone who continues to commit violence against Israel will be executed.  No excuses or pleas.  If your family is being threatened or whatever, go to the Israeli's and ask for help.  Giving them the names and locations of the terrorists threatening people is valuable intel.  Eliminating these criminals greatly reduces repeat performances.

In terrorist organizations, there are leaders.  But, taking out the leadership doesn't stop the thousands of believers from acting alone or training to rise up again.

There has to be a way forward --- up and out of the cycle of war between Israel and the others.

BTW, Palestine has only existed as a defined nation for about 70 years.  Before that, the people calling themselves Palestinians were Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese, etc.  It's amazing how much autonomy the people now in Gaza have amassed in such a short time.

I guess the enemy of the Jew will always be supported by likeminded people.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2023, 09:20:27 PM »
I keep wondering whether Israel has decided to play Hamas' propaganda game. Hamas has been known to have a well organized propaganda wing, what if Israel one upped them? (rhetorical question)

zippz

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2023, 07:16:59 AM »
Easy way to call out Hamas.  Ask them if their 7,000 dead civilian stats includes the 500 from the hospital

hvybarrels

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2023, 08:17:17 AM »
Easy way to call out Hamas.  Ask them if their 7,000 dead civilian stats includes the 500 from the hospital

Except that's exactly what they were trying to accomplish. Get the west to commit atrocities against civilians so that the whole region bands together to push the Zionists into the sea.
The F in Communism stands for Food

changemyoil66

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2023, 08:21:38 AM »
I keep wondering whether Israel has decided to play Hamas' propaganda game. Hamas has been known to have a well organized propaganda wing, what if Israel one upped them? (rhetorical question)

I would say in war, both sides play propaganda.  It's wise to attack on all "fronts".

oldfart

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2023, 09:02:17 AM »
I would say in war, both sides play propaganda.  It's wise to attack on all "fronts".
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EXACTLY
everybody plays the game

international
national
local
What, Me Worry?

groveler

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2023, 09:29:24 AM »
It started and will continue to get worse.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/at-least-500-killed-in-israeli-airstrike-on-gaza-city-hospital-gaza-health-ministry-says/ar-AA1ilYCq?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=6f2ccba0159a4cb985fc0571f9faf942&ei=6
I look to history for a solution.
Genghis Khan had one.
kill all the males of his opponents and marry off all the women to his soldiers.and his supporters.
worked pretty good for him. His kids fucked it all up but the effects of his policies can still be seen in Europe and Asia today.
 :shaka:

QUIETShooter

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2023, 10:30:44 AM »
I'm sure innocent children are getting injured and killed in Gaza.

But the propaganda machine is working overtime on this.

Every video shows someone running in full view of the media holding a child in their arms.  How convenient that there is a child tragedy when the media shows up.  Front and center.

Every.  F*ckn.  Time.

Like I mentioned, I don't refute it not happening but sometimes I think if there is no child available right then and there they will make it up.

Just grab one available and tell them to play dead.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

oldfart

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2023, 10:43:41 AM »
And nowadays if you don't have a dead baby for a photo op, then you can have AI create a dead baby on pile of concrete for you.
What, Me Worry?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2023, 10:50:39 AM »
And nowadays if you don't have a dead baby for a photo op, then you can have AI create a dead baby on pile of concrete for you.

What many zealots have done is "recycled" old pictures and video and claimed they were from current attacks, etc.

I noticed a couple resurfacing from Syria being used to stir up Hamas supporters and the media.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2023, 11:10:30 AM »
And nowadays if you don't have a dead baby for a photo op, then you can have AI create a dead baby on pile of concrete for you.

I was waiting for the "white helmets" to show up.  But then again, Israel is destroy so many buildings, and this isn't the white helmets area of expertees, 1-few buildings are.

Then there's the vid of the body under the sheet magically getting up and taking cover as incoming ordinance was happening.

QUIETShooter

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2023, 11:17:24 AM »


Then there's the vid of the body under the sheet magically getting up and taking cover as incoming ordinance was happening.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:  I'm going to be on the lookout for this one.  Bound to happen with all the bullcrap going on over there.


What many zealots have done is "recycled" old pictures and video and claimed they were from current attacks, etc.

I noticed a couple resurfacing from Syria being used to stir up Hamas supporters and the media.

Some of these videos were called out as fake news.  Served them right. :grrr:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2023, 11:31:26 AM »


Some of these videos were called out as fake news.  Served them right. :grrr:
That really doesn't matter.  The people looking for reasons to believe one side or the other will never see the fact check, and the source will almost never retract it.

A lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2023, 12:53:05 PM »
Speaking of propoganda, what's popping up on my social media feeds is 100% pro Palestine/Hamas stuff.  Zero Israel side of things.  So if social media is promoting Hamas, 1 has to kind of know which side is better than the other.  Same goes with the retarded 5 (Illan, AOC, Talib, etc...) supporting Hamas.

QUIETShooter

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2023, 01:33:53 PM »
Speaking of propoganda, what's popping up on my social media feeds is 100% pro Palestine/Hamas stuff.  Zero Israel side of things.  So if social media is promoting Hamas, 1 has to kind of know which side is better than the other.  Same goes with the retarded 5 (Illan, AOC, Talib, etc...) supporting Hamas.

I'm really surprised that there is so much pro Palestine/Hamas stuff going on in the interweb.

Just as the US is getting more and more polarized, it seems the World is becoming that way too.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

hvybarrels

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2023, 01:52:38 PM »
I'm really surprised that there is so much pro Palestine/Hamas stuff going on in the interweb.

Just as the US is getting more and more polarized, it seems the World is becoming that way too.

The end stage of Marxism is always mass murder
The F in Communism stands for Food

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Propaganda War?: Israel vs. Hamas
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2023, 02:30:39 PM »
I'm really surprised that there is so much pro Palestine/Hamas stuff going on in the interweb.

Just as the US is getting more and more polarized, it seems the World is becoming that way too.

Armageddon begins with the destruction of the people living in the Fertile Crescent, what is now Israel.

Without hatred of the Jews and the destruction of Israel, the end of the world can't happen as depicted in the Bible.

All this hatred was predicted long ago, and the location was not random.

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The Bible teaches the battle of Armageddon will occur at the end of the seven year
tribulation period. All the nations of the world will be gathered in an attempt to defeat
and destroy the Jews and the city of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel. The battle of Gog
and Magog described in Ezekiel 38-39 will occur at this time. After the armies of the
world have defeated half the city of Jerusalem, Christ returns (Zechariah 14:1-7).  The
return of Christ is also called the second coming of Christ. Revelation 16:14-16
summarizes these events at a high level.
https://www.neverthirsty.org/bible-qa/qa-archives/question/what-is-the-battle-of-armageddon-which-nations-are-there/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw