Firearm Safety course only good for 4 years. How valid is this new law supposedly coming to effect January 1st 2024?

How valid is the new law?  If you mean how constitutional, then not very if one is a true constitutional abider by the 2A.    IIRC the court did say that some training is constitutional. I'm not 100% sure on this though. But IMO, the 2A doesn't need a course in order to exercise if one abides by it's true purpose.

If you mean how valid as in did HI pass the law, then it is very valid as it will become law on 1/1/24.

How valid is the new law?  If you mean how constitutional, then not very if one is a true constitutional abider by the 2A.    IIRC the court did say that some training is constitutional. I'm not 100% sure on this though. But IMO, the 2A doesn't need a course in order to exercise if one abides by it's true purpose.

If you mean how valid as in did HI pass the law, then it is very valid as it will become law on 1/1/24.

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Hawaii is saying every 4 years you come stupid again.

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Something like elections

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So if I take my gun safety class this year, is it good for 4 years, or do I need to take it again in 2024 when the new law takes in effect?

So if I take my gun safety class this year, is it good for 4 years, or do I need to take it again in 2024 when the new law takes in effect?

If you take your gun safety class this year, it's useless as of 1/1/24 as HI added new requirements and all instructors must be approved by HPD first. So you will have to retake it next year if you plan to buy a handgun or get your CCW.

If you take your gun safety class this year, it's useless as of 1/1/24 as HI added new requirements and all instructors must be approved by HPD first. So you will have to retake it next year if you plan to buy a handgun or get your CCW.

I know some people who recently took a hand gun course and was told that their training(certificate?) would be valid for 4 years.

the fuck is your problem?

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Government Jolly Green is laughing at you guys bitching and fighting against each other. It's a basic war strategy. Divide and conquer.

I know some people who recently took a hand gun course and was told that their training(certificate?) would be valid for 4 years.

As I read the law. If they enforce it as written, any class taken before 1 Jan 24 will not qualify.

Are they going to enforce it that way? Remains to be seen.

As I read the law. If they enforce it as written, any class taken before 1 Jan 24 will not qualify.

Are they going to enforce it that way? Remains to be seen.

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Clarify your statement..
When you say that the class "will not qualify" does that mean the certificate is not valid?
Or does that mean the certificate is good forever.
Or does that mean the certificate is only good for 4 years?

Communicate your idea clearly.

Government Jolly Green is laughing at us fumbling at interpreting all these new laws and restrictions.
Basic war strategy is to cut off lines of communication or send false messages to confuse your opponent.

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Clarify your statement..
When you say that the class "will not qualify" does that mean the certificate is not valid?
Or does that mean the certificate is good forever.
Or does that mean the certificate is only good for 4 years?

Communicate your idea clearly.

Government Jolly Green is laughing at us fumbling at interpreting all these new laws and restrictions.
Basic war strategy is to cut off lines of communication or send false messages to confuse your opponent.

Ok, how about this:

If you take a class before 1 Jan and get an affidavit, that affidavit will not be good enough to get you a permit.

Put another way, as I read the law, any class taken on 31 Dec 23 or before will no longer qualify as of 1 Jan 24 under HRS 134.2(g) for issuance of a permit.

Unless there’s an instructor out there who has already incorporated the new requirements from Act 52 and has been approved by their county chief of police. Anybody know of one?

Does that make it more clear?

All the affidavit is is the instructor certifying that you took a class on a date, so it doesn’t really “expire.”  It’s just that as of 1 Jan, that class you took isn’t good enough anymore.

I have an NRA instructor certification.
So HPD has to approve my certification now.

Here is the obvious question...
Who has HPD certified to be an instructor?

If they cut off the supply of instructors, then they cut off the permits, therefore they cut off the guns.

Government Jolly Green is laughing at us.
Basic war strategy...cut the supply line to your opponent.

To get a permit to acquire starting on Jan 1 2024, you must have the following that changed:

1.  Training course mustve been taken within the past 4 years
2.  Hunters Ed no longer applies for acquiring handguns
3.  Taught by an instructor certified or verified by the police Chief.  Or certified by an organization approved by the police Chief (TBD, but I assume NRA, USCCA, and others will be).  Or certified military trainer.
4.  Course must include mental health, suicide prevention, and domestic violence.


Also there are more mental health and background check requirements.  Also more laws covered under prohibited persons.  Some people may be denied due to this even if the were approved in the past.

So the last statement is false?

So the last statement is false?

As the law is written, I would say yes, that statement is incorrect, unless the training included mental health, suicide prevention, and domestic violence issues, AND the chief accepted the instructor’s credentials. Remains to be seen how they will enforce it.

I know some people who recently took a hand gun course and was told that their training(certificate?) would be valid for 4 years.

That is wrong because:

1) Suicide things need to be added and taught
2) ALL instructors need to be approved by HPD.  No longer can 1 just have NRA credentials.

So the last statement is false?

Yes, HIFICO has attempted to contact them about this.