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Rocky

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #60 on: November 10, 2023, 11:48:07 AM »
Holding NRA Class Saturday, November 18, 2023
That'll give you less than 30 business days to chose, purchase, do background, p/u permit and register.
 "get ur done" if you have not already as I know of no instructors come Jan 1.
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Sodie

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #61 on: November 10, 2023, 04:25:52 PM »
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randay

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #62 on: November 10, 2023, 06:35:28 PM »
Quote from: Rocky on November 10, 2023, 11:48:07 AM
Holding NRA Class Saturday, November 18, 2023
That'll give you less than 30 business days to chose, purchase, do background, p/u permit and register.
 "get ur done" if you have not already as I know of no instructors come Jan 1.

thats terrible, i hope noone has to go that route. unless you are doing it for free for people who absolutely need to transfer firearms for certain reasons. then its great.
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stangzilla

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #63 on: November 10, 2023, 06:51:16 PM »
if you take take the hunters ed course online right now, will that be good for 4 years?
or gotta take a firearms safety class?  if you take the safety course now, is that good for another 4 years?
sorry for not paying attention to all these details.
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oldfart

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #64 on: November 10, 2023, 07:09:57 PM »
Quote from: stangzilla on November 10, 2023, 06:51:16 PM
if you take take the hunters ed course online right now, will that be good for 4 years?
or gotta take a firearms safety class?  if you take the safety course now, is that good for another 4 years?
sorry for not paying attention to all these details.
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As I said early on in this thread, I suspect that the rules were written to be vague and seemingly innocuous.

In actuality, this law would invalidate most all of the certified firearms instructors.
Therefore invalidating permits to acquire.
Therefore creating a backdoor method of banning guns.
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changemyoil66

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #65 on: November 10, 2023, 07:47:41 PM »
Quote from: stangzilla on November 10, 2023, 06:51:16 PM
if you take take the hunters ed course online right now, will that be good for 4 years?
or gotta take a firearms safety class?  if you take the safety course now, is that good for another 4 years?
sorry for not paying attention to all these details.
Hand gun PTA needs a new class. Ur current affisavid is void as there are more requirments added and instructors must be approved by HPD 1st.

Unknown if current hunters ed for rifle/shotty is sufficient. On paper, it is. But we all know hpd...

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oldfart

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #66 on: November 10, 2023, 08:41:20 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on November 10, 2023, 07:09:57 PM
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As I said early on in this thread, I suspect that the rules were written to be vague and seemingly innocuous.

In actuality, this law would invalidate most all of the certified firearms instructors.
Therefore invalidating permits to acquire.
Therefore creating a backdoor method of banning guns.

Furthermore, if the instructors are only certified by the Chief of Police, then that means the c.o.p. holds all the power over your right to have a firearm.
ie.
one person is holding all the cards
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eyeeatingfish

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #67 on: November 10, 2023, 10:47:30 PM »
Quote from: macsak on November 10, 2023, 06:48:32 AM
swoosh

I was making a joke.... swoosh indeed.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #68 on: November 10, 2023, 10:47:57 PM »
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Rocky

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #69 on: November 11, 2023, 06:57:48 AM »
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« Last Edit: November 15, 2023, 03:03:55 PM by Rocky »
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randay

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #70 on: November 11, 2023, 07:20:33 AM »
Quote from: Rocky on November 11, 2023, 06:57:48 AM
    Don't know whats so terrible.  :wacko: and has nothing to do with "people who absolutely need to transfer firearms ".
I'm offering the class directed at those who may have not yet received their affi so they may acquire a firearm BEFORE Jan 1.
As there are currently NO instructors that I know of for AFTER Jan 1, this may be their last chance to acquire for some time, longer if there is litigation.

Whats terrible is paying for and taking the time to do a firearms course that will only be valid for "less than 30 business days". Previous to jan 1st, the affadavit was good for life. after jan 1st the affadavit is good for 4 years. having an affadavit thats only good for 30 days is terrible. There are other reasons why it is terrible, but you might take them personally so I will refrain from voicing them.
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RSN172

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #71 on: November 11, 2023, 08:01:43 AM »
As someone has already mentioned, all part of the state's de facto ban firearms plan. 

As I stated before, SCOTUS did not go far enough on Bruen and should have made national constitutional carry law.

They should have realized some states are going to give them da finga at rulings they don’t agree with as they have done in the past.
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QUIETShooter

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2023, 08:21:00 AM »
Quote from: oldfart on November 10, 2023, 07:09:57 PM
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As I said early on in this thread, I suspect that the rules were written to be vague and seemingly innocuous.

In actuality, this law would invalidate most all of the certified firearms instructors.
Therefore invalidating permits to acquire.
Therefore creating a backdoor method of banning guns.


Furthermore, if the instructors are only certified by the Chief of Police, then that means the c.o.p. holds all the power over your right to have a firearm.
ie.
one person is holding all the cards
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I'm not a smart man (shades of Forrest Gump) but I can see a fascist/communist government when I see one......

2024, the year the banana republik of hawaii comes out of the closet after all these years (decades).
« Last Edit: November 11, 2023, 08:26:55 AM by QUIETShooter »
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Rocky

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #73 on: November 11, 2023, 10:21:34 AM »
Quote from: randay on November 11, 2023, 07:20:33 AM
Whats terrible is paying for and taking the time to do a firearms course that will only be valid for "less than 30 business days". Previous to jan 1st, the affadavit was good for life. after jan 1st the affadavit is good for 4 years. having an affadavit thats only good for 30 days is terrible. There are other reasons why it is terrible, but you might take them personally so I will refrain from voicing them.
« Last Edit: November 15, 2023, 03:02:59 PM by Rocky »
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oldfart

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #74 on: November 11, 2023, 10:51:47 AM »
a component on mental health, suicide prevention, and domestic violence issues.

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So our legislators are saying that firearm instructors are supposed to be qualified to teach people about mental health, suicide prevention, and domestic violence issues.
If not, then you will not be allowed to teach a safety course or issue an affidavit for a permit to acquire.
It seems to me that this opens up a liability problem for instructors.

It's forcing people to do something they are not qualified to do.
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QUIETShooter

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #75 on: November 11, 2023, 11:14:35 AM »
Or HPD will require these instructors to become certified in these subjects. (Go to School)

This will further restrict firearms ownership as some instructors will not want to go to school while HPD shrugs their shoulders and say ainokea.
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Rocky

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2023, 04:50:56 PM »
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« Last Edit: November 15, 2023, 03:02:27 PM by Rocky »
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Eo12

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2023, 08:49:17 PM »
The whole new changes are bullshit first of all.
Not sure if this was asked.
Will a current Hawaii ccw class be accepted for 2024 pistol permit to acquire as the instructors were already vetted by hpd and the new chiefs rules in 2023?
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Sodie

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2023, 09:15:02 PM »
Quote from: Eo12 on November 11, 2023, 08:49:17 PM
The whole new changes are bullshit first of all.
Not sure if this was asked.
Will a current Hawaii ccw class be accepted for 2024 pistol permit to acquire as the instructors were already vetted by hpd and the new chiefs rules in 2023?

I don’t think so.  The CCW course doesn’t necessarily meet the requirements for a permit to acquire (training for permit to acquire must include two hours of live fire training; LTC class only requires “live-fire shooting exercises on a firing range”).

I suppose an instructor could teach a class that meets requirements for both, and then say so in the affidavit, but not sure anyone has tried that…
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QUIETShooter

Re: 4 years on firearms safety course
« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2023, 09:00:05 AM »
More hoops to make you jump through makes them happy.
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