Whoa! (Read 3672 times)

mrgaf

Whoa!
« on: November 12, 2023, 05:50:20 PM »
This lady has her shit together!

To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

oldfart

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2023, 06:45:03 PM »
That was amusing.
It reminds me of us law-abiding peaceful majority gun owners being BLAMED for the crimes of the crazy crackhead illegal gun users.
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QUIETShooter

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2023, 06:56:09 PM »
Smart lady.

Eloquently put into perpective how the corrupt few drives the agenda.

Exactly what oldfart said.

But will our leaders listen?

They're not courageous enough.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

mrgaf

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2023, 08:08:12 PM »
Smart lady.

Eloquently put into perpective how the corrupt few drives the agenda.

Exactly what oldfart said.

But will our leaders listen?

They're not courageous enough.

Our leaders will never learn because they don’t have the brains, balls or intelligence.   ::)
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

hvybarrels

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2023, 09:35:02 PM »
Bridgett Gabriel sounded like a raving lunatic and the muslim girl came off as a thoughtful young conservative looking for actual solutions.
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mrgaf

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2023, 06:27:55 PM »
Bridgett Gabriel sounded like a raving lunatic and the muslim girl came off as a thoughtful young conservative looking for actual solutions.

Appreciate and respect your thoughts. The Muslim girl did react nicely BUT that is the way they are….nice to your face, friendly and in some cases quite eloquent and passive but turn your back and the knives come out and you’re missing your head! Sorry I have zero use for them, don’t like them and don’t trust them. They started this shit and Israel will finish it. Period. :shaka:



To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2023, 07:16:26 PM »
Appreciate and respect your thoughts. The Muslim girl did react nicely BUT that is the way they are….nice to your face, friendly and in some cases quite eloquent and passive but turn your back and the knives come out and you’re missing your head! Sorry I have zero use for them, don’t like them and don’t trust them. They started this shit and Israel will finish it. Period. :shaka:

I have a different perspective.

The young girl demonstrated exactly what Gabriel was describing.  Nice, timid, and idealistic.  When the terrorists among you are killing and destroying, the "irrelevant" peaceful majority do what she did -- act quiet, reserved and do nothing to stop the killing and devastation.

I give her props for at least showing up and asking the question, but to paint Gabriel as a raving lunatic when all she's doing is giving historical examples of how being peaceful enables mass murder isn't raving - it's something she is obviously passionate about, not hysterical.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2023, 09:12:16 AM »
By her logic you and me and all other Americans are irrelevant for not stopping the for-profit wars in Iraq, Syria, and Ukraine.

What does irrelevant mean anyway? That you can kill somebody or strip them of rights and it’s okay because they belong to a group that you don’t like?

To me it sounds like the military industrial complex using race bait for getting us into more conflicts that stripped us of our wealth and bankrupted the nation
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Brystont1

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2023, 09:27:56 AM »
By her logic you and me and all other Americans are irrelevant for not stopping the for-profit wars in Iraq, Syria, and Ukraine.

What does irrelevant mean anyway? That you can kill somebody or strip them of rights and it’s okay because they belong to a group that you don’t like?

To me it sounds like the military industrial complex using race bait for getting us into more conflicts that stripped us of our wealth and bankrupted the nation

“Belong to a group that you don’t like?” Is that what we are calling radical terrorist who rape dead women and kill children and call for the destruction of an entire race of people?

hvybarrels

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2023, 09:41:13 AM »
“Belong to a group that you don’t like?” Is that what we are calling radical terrorist who rape dead women and kill children and call for the destruction of an entire race of people?

If there were millions of those people running around like Bridgett postulates then commercial airline travel would be impossible.
Assholes exist and we have to be ready to confront them, but there's a whole arms industry that badly needs a new revenue stream now that Ukraine has all but fallen.

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Brystont1

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2023, 10:02:30 AM »
If there were millions of those people running around like Bridgett postulates then commercial airline travel would be impossible.
Assholes exist and we have to be ready to confront them, but there's a whole arms industry that badly needs a new revenue stream now that Ukraine has all but fallen.



I think you confused as to what she was actually saying. First of all millions of radical Muslims do exist. Based off polling data (Sam Harris has the sources) show consistently that 15-25% number to be comprised of jihadist, Islamist, and conservative Muslims. These are not just “assholes”. These are people who support monstrosities being committed like the October 7th attack in Israel. Nuance Bro has a video interviewing Palestinians at a rally and you will see Muslims calling for peace yet sompletely support the October 7th attack. Now I don’t believe that the US should get involved with ANY aid financially or physically but radical Muslims are a very real threat.

Second of all the “irrelevant” population she’s referring to are the “peaceful” muslim populations. Those who would sit by and claim to be peaceful and do nothing while radicals use their religion to wreak havoc on innocent people sowing further hatred against Muslims as people. I don’t think she meant that the US needs to spearhead an attack on radical islam.

hvybarrels

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2023, 10:29:36 AM »
I think you confused as to what she was actually saying. First of all millions of radical Muslims do exist. Based off polling data (Sam Harris has the sources) show consistently that 15-25% number to be comprised of jihadist, Islamist, and conservative Muslims. These are not just “assholes”. These are people who support monstrosities being committed like the October 7th attack in Israel. Nuance Bro has a video interviewing Palestinians at a rally and you will see Muslims calling for peace yet sompletely support the October 7th attack. Now I don’t believe that the US should get involved with ANY aid financially or physically but radical Muslims are a very real threat.

Second of all the “irrelevant” population she’s referring to are the “peaceful” muslim populations. Those who would sit by and claim to be peaceful and do nothing while radicals use their religion to wreak havoc on innocent people sowing further hatred against Muslims as people. I don’t think she meant that the US needs to spearhead an attack on radical islam.

Sam Harris is another pro-intervention propagandist with giant holes in his logic that you could fly a cargo plane of refugees through. That 15-25% number is a scare tactic just like how the Left tries to confuse their base by equating law abiding gun owners with mass shooters. I'm all for shutting down the border, banning travel from hostile countries, and sending back the hordes of illegal immigrants who definitely have radical jihadists among their ranks.

On the other hand I'm disgusted by 20 years for nothing in Afghanistan followed by a humiliating tail-between-the-legs retreat leaving billions in weapons behind and now begging the Taliban to come to the negotiation table. The people running the Heritage Foundation bear more than a little responsibility for that.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2023, 02:22:01 PM »
By her logic you and me and all other Americans are irrelevant for not stopping the for-profit wars in Iraq, Syria, and Ukraine.

What does irrelevant mean anyway? That you can kill somebody or strip them of rights and it’s okay because they belong to a group that you don’t like?

To me it sounds like the military industrial complex using race bait for getting us into more conflicts that stripped us of our wealth and bankrupted the nation

By your comments, you seem to conflate the US government with the millions of US citizens. 

We didn't stop the war in Iraq because -- wait a minute.  We DID stop it by pushing Iraqi forces out of Kuwait.  If you look at the Iraqi Freedom effort, it was a different animal from Desert Shield and Desert Storm.  Note the long break between #41 (First Gulf War) and #43 (Second Gulf War).  Clinton was on watch when Bin Laden attacked the Trade Center in 1993.  He  was also the one who gave the order to stand down not once, but four times, when they had a chance to take Bin Laden out as early as 1998.

We don't go to the polls each time a decision needs to be made.  We elect people who are supposed to make the best decisions on our behalf, but that doesn't mean we are in lock-step with the policies and decisions our government makes.

Our is actually something the federal gov't is required to fund.  All the social programs, financial assistance, educational control and loans, etc, etc, etc, etc, and on and on are NOT supposed to be functions of government.

I remember a story about a Senator talking with constituents about funding disaster relief for a flooded area of the state.  One wealthy citizen told him that's not the function of government.  That should be a function of the communities, where churches and other service organizations collect donations and assist the victims.  Taking taxes that were collected from everyone and spending it on something that only benefits a small number of victims might seem like charity, but it's not.

When you give your own money to others voluntarily, that's charity.

When you give money involuntarily collected from others (taxes) to someone else, that's called theft.

While the military industrial complex is absolutely gobbling up much of our resources, that's still a justified function of government.

When the gov't takes our taxes and promises to help others, the "bystander syndrome" kicks in.  When someone else looks like they are taking care of a problem, others who may be better able to solve the problem decide against trying to assist.  e.g. "That guy's giving CPR, so even though I'm a doctor, I assume he knows what he's doing or he wouldn't have stepped in."
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2023, 03:19:20 PM »
While the military industrial complex is absolutely gobbling up much of our resources, that's still a justified function of government.

Aren't you tired of losing pointless wars yet? There's always going to be an excuse to fly over to the other side of the world and waste a big pile of money throwing kids in the meat grinder but that doesn't mean we have to do it.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2023, 04:34:22 PM »
Aren't you tired of losing pointless wars yet? There's always going to be an excuse to fly over to the other side of the world and waste a big pile of money throwing kids in the meat grinder but that doesn't mean we have to do it.

Our military only fights when directed to do so by a civilian chain of command.

We can't protect the country without military might.  It's the misapplication of that force that needs to change.

It's not a military problem.  It's a people-in-charge problem. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2023, 05:16:17 PM »
By your comments, you seem to conflate the US government with the millions of US citizens. 

This is exactly the point I was trying to make. Everyone on the planet is guilty-by-association of something. Does that make everyone irrelevant?

Also nobody has defined irrelevant yet. What are the implications for an irrelevant person?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2023, 08:36:55 PM »
This is exactly the point I was trying to make. Everyone on the planet is guilty-by-association of something. Does that make everyone irrelevant?

Also nobody has defined irrelevant yet. What are the implications for an irrelevant person?

Everyone on the planet is guilty-by-association of something.

Really?  How do you figure. 

You can't help where you're born.  So, is a 1 year old Palestinian kid guilty of killing Israelis, too?  Wondering how this guilt works.

When you use a broad, sweeping generalization, it's almost guaranteed to be false.

"Irrelevant" means exactly what it says:  having no bearing on the situation at hand -- unimportant. 

Most of the historical examples listed in the video happened to be in countries that oppressed and murdered their people using force to defeat the opposition.

I think the Hebrew slaves in Egypt are the only people I've read of who were freed by divine intervention.  Every other nation that's experienced genocide or bondage had to use force, not peaceful protests, to change the power structure and gain their freedom.

There's a reason civil wars are popping up around the world all the time.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2023, 08:53:51 PM »
Everyone on the planet is guilty-by-association of something.
You can't help where you're born.  So, is a 1 year old Palestinian kid guilty of killing Israelis, too?  Wondering how this guilt works.

That's my point exactly. A 1 year old Palestinian kid should not be bombed to bits because a terrorist group claims to have a similar religion. She is still relevant. Her life still matters.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2023, 09:54:51 PM »
That's my point exactly. A 1 year old Palestinian kid should not be bombed to bits because a terrorist group claims to have a similar religion. She is still relevant. Her life still matters.

Seems like her life matters more to Israel than Hamas.

#HumanShields
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Whoa!
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2023, 10:58:09 PM »
Seems like her life matters more to Israel than Hamas.

#HumanShields

Not necessarily. How did an invasion force that large get past the sensors? The explanations I’ve heard so far don’t add up.

The world seems to be run by a handful of psychopaths who regard the rest of us as irrelevant
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