5 gallon bottles (Read 20576 times)

abakja1

5 gallon bottles
« on: December 15, 2012, 05:20:10 AM »
Anyone know where to get best prices on 5 gallon water bottles locally?  My cousin bought some for $7 a bottle a couple of years back at kmart or something but havent seen those prices personally.

TeamMidori

5 gallon bottles
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2012, 07:04:38 AM »
I saw
Full
Ones at koolaus gardens. I got a couple In the closet jus in case. They got the 2.5-3gal too

Surf

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2012, 08:27:36 AM »
I picked up a few at Walmart.  They are around $8.

abakja1

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2012, 10:35:32 PM »
$8!!  I gotta get me down there,..Long's where I refill ask like $20+ for the 5 gallon bottles..

I picked up a few at Walmart.  They are around $8.

Kingkeoni

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2012, 10:58:16 PM »
Home Depot sells 5 gallon menehune bottles full of water for $16.99

Buy them, drink or store the water, reuse them as much as you want and when you're all done, you can sell them back to Menehune for $10 each.
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Colt808

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2012, 02:00:21 AM »
$8!!  I gotta get me down there,..Long's where I refill ask like $20+ for the 5 gallon bottles..
You should go to Home Depot as KK suggested...For what Longs charges for refills, you'd be better off picking up a couple of full bottles. PLUS the ones at Walmart are made in China and probably have Bisphenol A (BPA's).

Unless US made or labelled "BPA Free", avoid anything (made in China) marked:


Personally, I'd stick with commercial grade bottles which are thicker, last longer, and won't make you retarded (or some sterile mutant with breasts)...well worth the $2 additional cost.

Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

Surf

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2012, 02:39:28 PM »
........PLUS the ones at Walmart are made in China and probably have Bisphenol A (BPA's).

Unless US made or labelled "BPA Free", avoid anything (made in China) marked:


Personally, I'd stick with commercial grade bottles which are thicker, last longer, and won't make you retarded (or some sterile mutant with breasts)...well worth the $2 additional cost.

Can you provide information that supports what you are saying here?  Trying to clarify this information because the bottles from Walmart are made from polycarbonate.  They are supplied by a company based out of Laredo, Texas called PIMPlastics, INC.  I surmise that they are made from polycarbonate via the PIM (plastic injection molding) process.  They are marked with a #3 which represents the PVC.  The bottles are labled as BPA or Bisphenol - A free, RIGID PCV, Free of Bisphenol - A.  They look, feel and seem to be durable or similar to any other 5 gallon bottle that I have handled.  I am curious because these bottles have been supplied and sold by Walmart for a few years that I am aware of.  I have never heard of anything negative in regards to their manufacture process or materials used.  Your information is really the first I have heard of them being made in China and that they are NOT BPA free.  So if you are correct then Walmart has been getting away with quite a bit in regards to these bottles for a long time and I would love to make a stink over it, provided you are correct.   

I will also note that this was taken from Menehune's or Hawaiin Waters website.  It almost looks to suggest that they might actually use plastic bottles that are not BPA free?
http://www.hawaiiwater.com/library/documents/ibwamemo04092008.pdf
http://www.hawaiiwater.com/library/documents/bpamigrationmyths.pdf

bass monkey

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2012, 02:57:39 PM »
I just saw a chart that lists all the different types of plastics. I'll see if i can find it again.

Colt808

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2012, 12:43:25 AM »
Can you provide information that supports what you are saying here?  Trying to clarify this information because the bottles from Walmart are made from polycarbonate.  They are supplied by a company based out of Laredo, Texas called PIMPlastics, INC.  I surmise that they are made from polycarbonate via the PIM (plastic injection molding) process.  They are marked with a #3 which represents the PVC.  The bottles are labled as BPA or Bisphenol - A free, RIGID PCV, Free of Bisphenol - A.  They look, feel and seem to be durable or similar to any other 5 gallon bottle that I have handled.  I am curious because these bottles have been supplied and sold by Walmart for a few years that I am aware of.  I have never heard of anything negative in regards to their manufacture process or materials used.  Your information is really the first I have heard of them being made in China and that they are NOT BPA free.  So if you are correct then Walmart has been getting away with quite a bit in regards to these bottles for a long time and I would love to make a stink over it, provided you are correct.   

I will also note that this was taken from Menehune's or Hawaiin Waters website.  It almost looks to suggest that they might actually use plastic bottles that are not BPA free?
http://www.hawaiiwater.com/library/documents/ibwamemo04092008.pdf
http://www.hawaiiwater.com/library/documents/bpamigrationmyths.pdf

PIMPlastics is a wholesale distributor, not manufacturer and the source of the container could be (is very likely) from China. Also, #3 plastics are polyvinyl chloride (PVC) and, unless otherwise marked, can contain BPA (it's used in the "standard" manufacturing process). As for making a stink with Walmart? Uhhh good luck with that. I tried and got as far as talking to their corporate offices. Their response was along the lines of:  "There is no regulatory requirement...blah, blah, blah..." You get the idea. And they were right, the "BPA free" label is strictly voluntary.

Hawaii Water/Menehune's info sheet is in reference to their 8oz - 1.5L bottled water. It came out around the time BPA's were in the news and are a response to soothe the concerns of their customers. Just about every beverage company produced releases with almost the exact wording down to quoting FDA findings.  Personally, I find no comfort in any of it because "mininmal safe exposure" crap just doesn't cut it when the effects can be:

  • Cancer (Breast/prostate)
  • Diabetes
  • Obesity
  • Hyperactivity
  • Impaired, altered, and compromised immune system and functions
  • Miscarriage
  • Impaired female reproductive development
  • Sperm defects / lowered sperm count
  • Chromosome abnormalities
  • Chromosome sorting errors
  • Down’s syndrome
  • Turner Syndrome
  • Klinefelter Syndrome
  • Genitalia deformity
  • Early onset of puberty
  • Impaired learning and memory
  • Increased aggression
  • Reversal of normal sex differences in the brain structure
  • Elimination of sex differences in behavior
  • Changes in response to painful or fear-provoking stimuli

SO, I guess you can see why I won't knowingly consume anything from containers that might contain BPA.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

Colt808

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2012, 12:47:11 AM »
I just saw a chart that lists all the different types of plastics. I'll see if i can find it again.



The numbers are just recycling codes. I find it funny that they'll require these to benefit the recycling industry, but don't require the same to inform the consumers.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

abakja1

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2012, 02:24:03 AM »
Interesting info here on BPA i wasnt aware of.  Is the research really true, or is this some research thats gonna change down the line and currently in the news due to media and enviormental conscious people?

Colt808

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2012, 05:01:03 AM »
Interesting info here on BPA i wasnt aware of.  Is the research really true, or is this some research thats gonna change down the line and currently in the news due to media and enviormental conscious people?

Remember now, things like mercury, lead and asbestos all had, what was deemed "acceptable exposure" levels at some point. So whether it proves true or not, does it really make sense to take the chance? Better to err on the side of caution, than to pay with your health.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

abakja1

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2012, 09:50:23 AM »
The ones I do have are from Texas and have the recycle code3 with no BPA FREE lableled anywhere...
I going to pick some up at Home Depot...

You should go to Home Depot as KK suggested...For what Longs charges for refills, you'd be better off picking up a couple of full bottles. PLUS the ones at Walmart are made in China and probably have Bisphenol A (BPA's).

Unless US made or labelled "BPA Free", avoid anything (made in China) marked:


Personally, I'd stick with commercial grade bottles which are thicker, last longer, and won't make you retarded (or some sterile mutant with breasts)...well worth the $2 additional cost.

Surf

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2012, 08:06:19 PM »
The ones I do have are from Texas and have the recycle code3 with no BPA FREE lableled anywhere...
I going to pick some up at Home Depot...
Just be aware that food grade containers, buckets etc, are not marked BPA free in the plastic, but are usually marked on the label that they are BPA free.  They are generally HDPE 2 marked, but not all HDPE 2 marked items are necessarily BPA free.  As for the Walmart water bottles they are marked as BPA free on the labels. 

abakja1

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2012, 10:33:32 PM »
Went to home depot and the menehune bottles have recycle code 7 on them and dont say BPA Free anywhere. 
I didnt get any.  Also noticed that they have the same multilingual verbage on the bottom of the jugs as the walmart jugs i have now.

Home Depot sells 5 gallon menehune bottles full of water for $16.99

Buy them, drink or store the water, reuse them as much as you want and when you're all done, you can sell them back to Menehune for $10 each.

Surf

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2012, 11:08:41 AM »
This is what I have found or understand to be true so far. 

- HDPE 2 is the most common food grade material used.

- Just because something is labeled with the recycle HDPE 2 symbol does not automatically mean it is BPA free.

- Containers are not molded with BPA free on them.  They will generally be listed on the labeling of the product.

- Recycle 7 symbol denotes, any other material not covered by symbols 1-6.  Symbol 7 is usually a polycarbonate especially when in comes to bottles or similar and the manufacture of polycarbonate is usually a chemical process that includes Bisphenol A, which has become one of the big controversies with containers (think controverises over the Nalgene bottles etc..).

- This seems to jive with Menhune or Hawaiian Waters putting out the above listed PDF's in defense of BPA products as it looks like their bottles are made out of the Recycle 7 and would be a polycarbonate bottle that might contain BPA.

- I have found that Walmart bottles appear to be made by Plasticos Industriales de Monterrey, of Mexico.  So they are produced in Mexico and imported via PIMPLASTICS INC in Laredo, TX.  Upon further searching, it appears that they are a reputable manufacturer of plastics, such as water bottles like these at Walmart, HDPE products, plastic milk containers, etc, etc...

- Walmart bottles are Recycle 3 which is a PVC and labeled as BPA free on the product label. 

Anyone can take anything they want out of this information, but I don't think there should be a concern about the Walmart bottles.  HOWEVER, if I were concerned about BPA, I would really second guess ANY food or beverage container made out of the Recycle 7 symbol, which would seem to include Menehune, or Hawaiian Water products.  I do however suggest that if anyone has concerns to do their own research and not take anything said here as being true.

abakja1

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2012, 11:31:33 AM »
Thanks for the info,.. The walmart bottles i hve dont say "BPA" Free" anywhere, but ill take your info as true.  Ill do some more research myself and check out their website to see if they have more info in the meantime and save my money before heading out to buy more jugs.  Iits a surprise menehune uses what could be potentially BPA bottles.

This is what I have found or understand to be true so far. 

- HDPE 2 is the most common food grade material used.

- Just because something is labeled with the recycle HDPE 2 symbol does not automatically mean it is BPA free.

- Containers are not molded with BPA free on them.  They will generally be listed on the labeling of the product.

- Recycle 7 symbol denotes, any other material not covered by symbols 1-6.  Symbol 7 is usually a polycarbonate especially when in comes to bottles or similar and the manufacture of polycarbonate is usually a chemical process that includes Bisphenol A, which has become one of the big controversies with containers (think controverises over the Nalgene bottles etc..).

- This seems to jive with Menhune or Hawaiian Waters putting out the above listed PDF's in defense of BPA products as it looks like their bottles are made out of the Recycle 7 and would be a polycarbonate bottle that might contain BPA.

- I have found that Walmart bottles appear to be made by Plasticos Industriales de Monterrey, of Mexico.  So they are produced in Mexico and imported via PIMPLASTICS INC in Laredo, TX.  Upon further searching, it appears that they are a reputable manufacturer of plastics, such as water bottles like these at Walmart, HDPE products, plastic milk containers, etc, etc...

- Walmart bottles are Recycle 3 which is a PVC and labeled as BPA free on the product label. 

Anyone can take anything they want out of this information, but I don't think there should be a concern about the Walmart bottles.  HOWEVER, if I were concerned about BPA, I would really second guess ANY food or beverage container made out of the Recycle 7 symbol, which would seem to include Menehune, or Hawaiian Water products.  I do however suggest that if anyone has concerns to do their own research and not take anything said here as being true.

Surf

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2012, 04:34:46 PM »
Below is the label on the Walmart bottle.  The upper left is the BPA labeling.  Again it will not be molded with BPA free in the plastic.  None of my food grade buckets, or any other food grade containers that I have seen have BPA free molded in the plastic.  Not saying there isn't any but none that I have or have seen.  The bottom of the Walmart bottle should also read molded into the plastic "Approved for water use only.  Not to be filled with any other liquid."  Will also have that in Spanish plus I can make out the Plastico Industriales De Monterrey and their contact phone numbers.

Dblnaknak

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2012, 05:23:47 PM »
PIMPlastics is a wholesale distributor, not manufacturer and the source of the container could be (is very likely) from China. Also, #3 plastics are polyvinyl chloride (PVC) and, unless otherwise marked, can contain BPA (it's used in the "standard" manufacturing process). As for making a stink with Walmart? Uhhh good luck with that. I tried and got as far as talking to their corporate offices. Their response was along the lines of:  "There is no regulatory requirement...blah, blah, blah..." You get the idea. And they were right, the "BPA free" label is strictly voluntary.

Hawaii Water/Menehune's info sheet is in reference to their 8oz - 1.5L bottled water. It came out around the time BPA's were in the news and are a response to soothe the concerns of their customers. Just about every beverage company produced releases with almost the exact wording down to quoting FDA findings.  Personally, I find no comfort in any of it because "mininmal safe exposure" crap just doesn't cut it when the effects can be:

  • Cancer (Breast/prostate)
  • Diabetes
  • Obesity
  • Hyperactivity
  • Impaired, altered, and compromised immune system and functions
  • Miscarriage
  • Impaired female reproductive development
  • Sperm defects / lowered sperm count
  • Chromosome abnormalities
  • Chromosome sorting errors
  • Down’s syndrome
  • Turner Syndrome
  • Klinefelter Syndrome
  • Genitalia deformity
  • Early onset of puberty
  • Impaired learning and memory
  • Increased aggression
  • Reversal of normal sex differences in the brain structure
  • Elimination of sex differences in behavior
  • Changes in response to painful or fear-provoking stimuli

SO, I guess you can see why I won't knowingly consume anything from containers that might contain BPA.

That's everything you can get from eating at McDonald's.

Colt808

Re: 5 gallon bottles
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2012, 09:07:17 PM »
That's everything you can get from eating at McDonald's.
LOL! Sad but true about all fast food.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.