Big Maryland win for 2a means no more permits required (Read 1403 times)

danielk9

Big Maryland win for 2a means no more permits required
« on: November 21, 2023, 03:53:21 PM »
Maryland 4th circuit has struck down laws that require handgun safety course and a permit to purchase a handgun. It sounds like Hawaii's laws are also unconstitutional. When will they be officially over?

changemyoil66

Re: Big Maryland win for 2a means no more permits required
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2023, 04:25:28 PM »
Diff circuit court as the 9th is the most anti 2a of all the circuits.

But if someone challenges it and the 9th rules in favor of the state, then SCOTUS may take a look at it. But until then, the 4th means nothing to HI.

danielk9

Re: Big Maryland win for 2a means no more permits required
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2023, 07:49:18 AM »
It's also possible Maryland appeals, meaning it would go to SCOTUS. Hawaii's permit laws are, according to the 4th circuit anyway, unconstitutional.

changemyoil66

Re: Big Maryland win for 2a means no more permits required
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2023, 08:18:07 AM »
It's also possible Maryland appeals, meaning it would go to SCOTUS. Hawaii's permit laws are, according to the 4th circuit anyway, unconstitutional.

For something to go to SCOTUS, there typically has to be a disagreement between various circuit courts or a prior SCOTUS ruling isn't being followed.  Which means if we challenge HI's one and it goes to the 9th and the corrupt 9th rules in the states favor, then SCOTUS is more likely to take it. 

But, there is still a chance that SCOTUS would take it without the above, but the chance is reduced.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Big Maryland win for 2a means no more permits required
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2023, 11:05:04 AM »
There are four basic types of cases the SCOTUS may accept:

- Cases to resolve a conflict of law.
- Cases that are of great public importance.
- Cases when lower courts ignore Supreme Court precedent. *
- Cases where an area of law is unsettled.

They also hear cases that fall under original jurisdiction, meaning the case has never been decided in any other court.
Those involve disputes between the states or disputes arising among ambassadors and other high-ranking ministers.

* A Lower Court disregarding past Supreme Court decisions means,
If a lower court blatantly disregards a past Supreme Court decision, the court may hear
the case to correct the lower court, or alternatively, simply overrule the case without comment.

The Supreme Court agrees to hear about 100-150 of the more than 7,000 cases that it is asked to review each year.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Big Maryland win for 2a means no more permits required
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2023, 07:43:56 PM »
MA showed no analogue. They used keeping weapons from dangerous people and the militias training. None applied to regular citizens.

Gives hope when HI gets sued.

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