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Flapp_Jackson

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2024, 04:45:18 PM »
Quote from: Sodie on January 02, 2024, 04:07:20 PM
Does anyone know what HPD believes is the legal basis for “you cannot use the firearm until you get the registration in an email from HPD”?  I haven’t been able to find anything in the HRS to that effect.

I would categorize that statement as providing legal advice.

HPD tells us all the time they are not allowed to provide the public legal advice.

Might be a good test suit to ask why they can offer that kind of advice, but when we ASK for their understanding of a given gun law, they refer us to the HI AG, who promptly replies, "We are unable to provide legal advice to the general public ..."

In my non-legal, non-lawyer opinion, they are making crap up again as they frequently do.

Given the set of circumstances -- you REGISTERED the firearm with HPD online -- their lack of responding with a copy of their paperwork doesn't change that.  Plus, unless we are required to keep a copy of that paperwork with any firearms outside the home, they would have a difficult time enforcing such a requirement.

That's my unprofessional read on the situation.  As you said, nothing in the law says you can't use a firearm you registered but have not gotten the paperwork back for.

Think about it this way.  When you have 5 days to register a firearm you acquired legally, by their definition, you are in possession of an unregistered firearm.  Whether or not you use it, that's still a crime.  Nobody would ever be arrested, though, if they used it over the weekend while the range is open and HPD is closed during that 5-day period.

That's how illogical our laws are -- and hence how stupid the HPD "legal" advice is.
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Kentos

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2024, 07:51:33 PM »
Probably because it’s not registered yet.  You applied to register it, but until then it’s not.  So if you go to the range and you get stopped for a traffic violation you have an unregistered firearm.  Look the penalties for an unregistered firearm.

What gets me is they have the info, you have a permit for that gun with serial numbers, caliber etc.  I don’t see the diff.  Oh well.
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zippz

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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2024, 08:08:33 PM »
My take is if you get stopped with the gun for any reason, the police officer can't find the gun in the registration database.  They'll then arrest you for unregistered gun, and you may have to bail out.  Or they could have suspiciouns of a stolen gun.  The officer could call firearms section to verify registration, but it won't be available afterhours.

it must've happened to someone in the past for them to bring this up.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2024, 09:12:31 AM »
Quote from: zippz on January 02, 2024, 08:08:33 PM
My take is if you get stopped with the gun for any reason, the police officer can't find the gun in the registration database.  They'll then arrest you for unregistered gun, and you may have to bail out.  Or they could have suspiciouns of a stolen gun.  The officer could call firearms section to verify registration, but it won't be available afterhours.

it must've happened to someone in the past for them to bring this up.

If you registered in person, you already have the completed registration, so it should be in the system.

If you submitted the registration request online, you should have an email confirmation to show the officer.  That would explain why they can't find it in the system.  He'd be foolish to arrest you if you produce that email on your phone or printed and carried with your firearm.

If you're still within the 5 day registration window after picking up the gun, and you are enroute from the seller to your house when the Cops stops you "for any reason", how is that any different a scenario?  It's still not registered AND you haven't had time to even submit the request online, yet you are able to transport it and have possession.  Makes absolutely no sense.

If registration were the big problem HPD wants to pretend it is, they would treat it like permits.  You can't take possession until it's registered in your name.  Either let the seller hang onto it until then, or let HPD keep it until they get around to it.  Letting you have it at home for X number of days until the email arrives solves nothing other than impeding your right to use the firearm you now own and legally registered with HPD.  Sayhing you "can't use it" until you get the paperwork is bureaucratic hogwash.
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changemyoil66

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2024, 09:15:36 AM »
Quote from: Kentos on January 02, 2024, 07:51:33 PM
Probably because it’s not registered yet.  You applied to register it, but until then it’s not.  So if you go to the range and you get stopped for a traffic violation you have an unregistered firearm.  Look the penalties for an unregistered firearm.

What gets me is they have the info, you have a permit for that gun with serial numbers, caliber etc.  I don’t see the diff.  Oh well.

Getting stopped for a traffic stop, HPD cannot search your gun case and verify that the gun in it is registered.  Unless you give them permission or the traffic stop escalates to something else.  You also are under no obligation to tell HPD where you're coming from or going to if they ask.

If you register your gun in person, you get the reg on the spot. If you do it online, keep the email confirmation.
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zippz

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2024, 03:10:38 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on January 03, 2024, 09:12:31 AM

Makes absolutely no sense.


you seem surprised
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s15project

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2024, 07:30:40 PM »
Submitted online registration on 11/17/23.  47 days later (30 days if you don't count weekends and 3 holidays) received my registration today 1/3/24. 
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2024, 08:07:18 PM »
Quote from: zippz on January 03, 2024, 03:10:38 PM
you seem surprised

Surprised?  nah.

Disappointed the professionals in charge of enforcing this mess can't see it -- or do and don't shiv a git.
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Sodie

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2024, 09:41:39 PM »
Quote from: Kentos on January 02, 2024, 07:51:33 PM
Probably because it’s not registered yet.  You applied to register it, but until then it’s not.  So if you go to the range and you get stopped for a traffic violation you have an unregistered firearm.  Look the penalties for an unregistered firearm.

What gets me is they have the info, you have a permit for that gun with serial numbers, caliber etc.  I don’t see the diff.  Oh well.

I didn’t “apply to register” it.  I registered it; they just haven’t completed their process yet.  If it’s unregistered, I can’t legally have it at all, wherever I am… so if HPD can’t complete their part of the process within 5 days, I become a criminal?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2024, 09:44:18 PM »
Quote from: Sodie on January 05, 2024, 09:41:39 PM
I didn’t “apply to register” it.  I registered it; they just haven’t completed their process yet.  If it’s unregistered, I can’t legally have it at all, wherever I am… so if HPD can’t complete their part of the process within 5 days, I become a criminal?
What's worse is, using online registration was supposed to be a time-saver.  It's crazy that the automated process takes weeks longer than the in-person, manual process.

I'm wondering if HPD is just computer illiterate?
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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QUIETShooter

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« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2024, 10:09:05 PM »
Too much coffee and smoke breaks.
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Brystont1

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2024, 12:09:41 AM »
Quote from: Sodie on January 05, 2024, 09:41:39 PM
I didn’t “apply to register” it.  I registered it; they just haven’t completed their process yet.  If it’s unregistered, I can’t legally have it at all, wherever I am… so if HPD can’t complete their part of the process within 5 days, I become a criminal?
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Motorman

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« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2024, 05:45:55 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on January 05, 2024, 09:44:18 PM
What's worse is, using online registration was supposed to be a time-saver.  It's crazy that the automated process takes weeks longer than the in-person, manual process.

I'm wondering if HPD is just computer illiterate?

The in-person registration and online registrations are entered into the database by the same clerks. If the city and county doesn’t hire more people to enter the data or if no one wants to work for the city and county, then the process takes a long time.
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Tacticoolest

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2024, 01:45:49 PM »
Quote from: Tacticoolest on December 30, 2023, 09:50:06 AM
I submitted my handgun registration online in late October and still have not gotten my  registration approval yet
The email below 11/8 and 12/4

Aloha,
Thank you for your patience.
The online registration is backlogged 4-5 weeks.  You cannot use the firearm until you get the registration in an email from HPD. If you want the registration sooner you can come in person, no firearm needed, to register. You will need the information on the firearm, a picture/copy of the permit, and a picture of the serial number off the firearm.
If you have any questions please call (808) 723-3188


Aloha,
HPD is still working on online registration requests. It is unknown when your registration will be finalized.
 
You are still able to come in person to register the firearm. No firearm needed, just take a picture of the serial number on the firearm and a copy/picture of handgun permit or original long gun permit.
 
HPD Firearms


Update:
Email sent 1/2/24 response 1/6/2024
Aloha,
Thank you for your patience but HPD is still dealing with an online backlog. Your request will be worked on as soon as possible. If you have questions please call (808) 723-3188.
 
HPD Firearms

1/8/2024.  Just got the registration email and password
Just under 2.5 months. 
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BastosGuy

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2024, 10:21:50 PM »
I just hit one month. Submitted online registration on  12/9/23 for two handguns and still waiting.


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Sodie

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2024, 03:06:30 PM »
Submitted November 9th, registration emailed today (December 10).
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pacwire

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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2024, 02:21:23 PM »
Submitted mine early Dec, just got the email today...About 30 days
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dogman

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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2024, 06:21:05 AM »
Got email registration at 12:19 am, must be working late. PDF registration and pass word in one email.
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raudi

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2024, 10:14:23 AM »
Submitted at the end of Dec, got it about 3 weeks later.
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Motorman

Re: HPD REGISTRATION E-MAILS
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2024, 10:42:19 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on January 05, 2024, 09:44:18 PM
What's worse is, using online registration was supposed to be a time-saver.  It's crazy that the automated process takes weeks longer than the in-person, manual process.

I'm wondering if HPD is just computer illiterate?

Due to constant errors submitted by members of the public registering firearms, each request needs to be reviewed and manually input into the firearms database. There is no and has never been an automated system; for accuracy sake (with the thousands of different make, model, caliber combinations), all online registrations are reviewed and input manually.

For example, common mistakes include putting “Multi” for caliber, putting “AR15” for model (when it’s something like a S&W M&P-15), putting the online store instead of the dealer for the “acquired from” line, missing dashes or numbers in the serial number section, etc.

Whereas all these errors can be easily corrected in-person with whiteout or crossing-out information, the online registration needs to be sent back to the submitter to be corrected (sometimes multiple times).

EDIT: Corrected “had” to “has”
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