Terrorist or domestic? 

I think we are our own worst enemy.

I would say fellow gun owners that make statements such as...

I have a gun/ I support the 2a... but...... I don't think anyone else should have AK 47s, civilians don't need them, or any other butt. Those folk. I do not know for sure if they are real gun supporters and say that, but if they were really down with the 2a, I feel, in my opinion, they should be more supportive of their fellow gun owners and shooting community as a whole, no matter how they choose their weapon or send bullets flying.  I surely hope the anti are not able to divide the shooting community.

As the Nazi pastor said.
First they came for the Jews, and I did not speak up because I was not one of them
Then they came for the crippled, and k did not speak up because I was not one of them.
And because I don't remember the entire quote,
And when they came for me, no one was left to speak up for me.

ALL of the Above.

KK on the forums!

"whose are our worst enemy?"

grammar.    jk

The American citizen that takes no responsibility for their freedoms. When we abuse it the govt. takes it away and the govt. will be responsible for dishing out whatever freedoms they think the people should have. In light of recent events, we see it happening now, with a call for more laws. IMHO, we as the people fail to police up ourselves. We exclaim freedom freely without a second thought about responsibility. Just because we can doesn't necessarily mean we should.
If we go down that road there will be no freedom associated with our country any more.

The American citizen that takes no responsibility for their freedoms. When we abuse it the govt. takes it away and the govt. will be responsible for dishing out whatever freedoms they think the people should have. In light of recent events, we see it happening now, with a call for more laws. IMHO, we as the people fail to police up ourselves. We exclaim freedom freely without a second thought about responsibility. Just because we can doesn't necessarily mean we should.
If we go down that road there will be no freedom associated with our country any more.

True..  People think freedom is "doing whatever they want"
"With freedom comes great responsibilty"

I think we are our own worst enemy.

I agree.... Many if not all great powerful countries fell from within....

people who say things like "if the teachers were armed, the Sandy Hook shooting would never have happened."

there's advocating for the right to bear arms, and then there's just making yourself look like a total lunatic to everyone who doesnt share your views.

in short, our own 2a community is often our own worst enemy.

people who say things like "if the teachers were armed, the Sandy Hook shooting would never have happened."

there's advocating for the right to bear arms, and then there's just making yourself look like a total lunatic to everyone who doesnt share your views.

in short, our own 2a community is often our own worst enemy.

If the teachers had been allowed to be armed it could have been prevented. Or the amount of lives taken could have been limited. Is there something wrong with my statement? It is the truth is it not?

What I think we should push is that having schools as "Gun Free Zones" is an invitation to those who decide to do such harm. It is like advertising to unstable members of our society where to do their deed. If teachers are allowed to be armed in class they may think twice before choosing a school to fulfill their warped fantasies.

I would say fellow gun owners that make statements such as...

I have a gun/ I support the 2a... but...... I don't think anyone else should have AK 47s, civilians don't need them, or any other butt. Those folk. I do not know for sure if they are real gun supporters and say that, but if they were really down with the 2a, I feel, in my opinion, they should be more supportive of their fellow gun owners and shooting community as a whole, no matter how they choose their weapon or send bullets flying.  I surely hope the anti are not able to divide the shooting community.

As the Nazi pastor said.
First they came for the Jews, and I did not speak up because I was not one of them
Then they came for the crippled, and k did not speak up because I was not one of them.
And because I don't remember the entire quote,
And when they came for me, no one was left to speak up for me.

Good post Bass Monkey, it reminded of my liberal cousin whom I always argue with. My cousin is a hard core hunter ( deer, pig, duck, etc), but still argues his Obama, ultra liberal, California rhetoric;

Last time my cousin and I talked about guns his opinion was all my weapons( AK 47, STG E4, and my various pistols) were "man killers", useless and why did I want or have them. His belief is that any military style weapons or semi-auto pistol should be banned and only traditional hunting rifles ( Remington 270's, etc) should be legal.
Needless to say, we debate for hours and end up agreeing to disagree.

One of my main arguments has always been; if my weapons are outlawed today , yours will be tomorrow.....

If the teachers had been allowed to be armed it could have been prevented. Or the amount of lives taken could have been limited. Is there something wrong with my statement? It is the truth is it not?

What I think we should push is that having schools as "Gun Free Zones" is an invitation to those who decide to do such harm. It is like advertising to unstable members of our society where to do their deed. If teachers are allowed to be armed in class they may think twice before choosing a school to fulfill their warped fantasies.

that isnt my point.  it isnt whether its right or not.  its going to make you look like an idiot to anyone who's in favor of gun control and that hurts everyone in the shooting community's interest. 

its called politics, and you cant pretend that people are always going to respect your opinion.  and when those people who dont respect your opinion are big wigs in the media and politicians, you hurt your own cause.

suggesting that the teachers should have been armed makes you look like a lunatic to the very people you're trying to win over.  fact of life.

people who say things like "if the teachers were armed, the Sandy Hook shooting would never have happened."

there's advocating for the right to bear arms, and then there's just making yourself look like a total lunatic to everyone who doesnt share your views.

in short, our own 2a community is often our own worst enemy.

Quick rebuttal: Do you know how many kids have died in school fires in North America in the last fifty years?  Not a single one.  Zero.  Our kids get killed at school every year, yet the teacher who wants to carry is a paranoid, dangerous, lunatic (even on a 2nd Amendment forum), and the teacher with a fire extinguisher under her desk is a model educator who genuinely cares about the safety of her students.  Why is that?

Lengthier rebuttal by Lt. Col. Grossman

that isnt my point.  it isnt whether its right or not.  its going to make you look like an idiot to anyone who's in favor of gun control and that hurts everyone in the shooting community's interest. 

its called politics, and you cant pretend that people are always going to respect your opinion.  and when those people who dont respect your opinion are big wigs in the media and politicians, you hurt your own cause.

suggesting that the teachers should have been armed makes you look like a lunatic to the very people you're trying to win over.  fact of life.

Refusing to speak the truth because you're concerned with how the media will spin it is a recipe for disaster.  The fact of the matter is, with one singular exception (Gabriel Giffords shooting), every mass shooting with three or more dead in the last several decades has occurred in a place where carrying of firearms by licensed individuals is prohibited.  James Holmes picked from a long list of theaters near his home, and the one he went to was neither the closest nor did it anticipate the largest crowd.  The feature it did have, however, was a sign on the door proclaiming the area off-limits to CCW.  If we're going to refuse to point out facts, we might as well turn our guns in now.

Refusing to speak the truth because you're concerned with how the media will spin it is a recipe for disaster.  The fact of the matter is, with one singular exception (Gabriel Giffords shooting), every mass shooting with three or more dead in the last several decades has occurred in a place where carrying of firearms by licensed individuals is prohibited.  James Holmes picked from a long list of theaters near his home, and the one he went to was neither the closest nor did it anticipate the largest crowd.  The feature it did have, however, was a sign on the door proclaiming the area off-limits to CCW.  If we're going to refuse to point out facts, we might as well turn our guns in now.

and pretending the game doesnt exist and spitting in its face doesnt get you far towards winning the game.

its not about being afraid to speak the truth, its about being smart and not sabotaging yourself. 

why speak the truth and lose when you can hold onto that truth, and be smart, and say the right things, and win?

the connection of gun free zones isnt the issue, and even bringing up that issue when there are many things they could have said to make people on the other side more sympathetic to the cause is just a smarter move.

its great to stand up for what you believe in.  but sometimes its smarter to hold your tongue.

Not one mention here of the sicko video games kids play these days instead of going outside and doing anything healthy.  They sit for hours using virtual reality weapons to slay with great glee.

The garbage Hollywierd pumps out that kids lap up like milk is all drugs, violence, and glorification of the same.

I am a geezer now, but does no one find it odd that it is all youngsters doing all this crazy crap.  Far as I know none of us old VN vets with supposed demons chasing around in our skulls has pulled the pin to take out those that seem to so dearly need it?

Herr Storm ban-fuher Napalitano wants veterans watched as terrorist threats, but is silent about the NEA raised generation of X-Box video murder veterans.

I sit and read all this crap, and grow more and more enraged at the total misdirection and lack of thought.  No one ever asks, why did this not happen 40-50 years ago, what is different?  The MSM shudders that someone might ask that and perhaps have an audience that listens and considers.

Of course, the entertainment industry would be gravely threatened by any such awareness......

Look at Texas, schools are not gun free zones and teachers are allowed to carry.

that isnt my point.  it isnt whether its right or not.  its going to make you look like an idiot to anyone who's in favor of gun control and that hurts everyone in the shooting community's interest. 

its called politics, and you cant pretend that people are always going to respect your opinion.  and when those people who dont respect your opinion are big wigs in the media and politicians, you hurt your own cause.

suggesting that the teachers should have been armed makes you look like a lunatic to the very people you're trying to win over.  fact of life.

Okay, since in your opinion the truth is inappropriate in this case. And since you would "Hold on to the truth" and say something else. Why don't you enlighten us with your words of wisdom that would blow everyone away and be politically correct and yet not make yourself look like an idiot? So far all you have done is condemn those of us who would tell the truth. But you have not said what you think is appropriate. I am very curious as to what you think is the right thing to say?

Okay, since in your opinion the truth is inappropriate in this case. And since you would "Hold on to the truth" and say something else. Why don't you enlighten us with your words of wisdom that would blow everyone away and be politically correct and yet not make yourself look like an idiot? So far all you have done is condemn those of us who would tell the truth. But you have not said what you think is appropriate. I am very curious as to what you think is the right thing to say?

in this case, i'd talk about looking at the problems the US has with treating mental illness.  take guns out of the equation entirely.  dont treat it as a gun issue, and look at the fact that we had a disturbed 20 year old who clearly wasnt getting proper treatment for his mental illness.

or say nothing.

anything but suggesting more guns is the answer, because anytime that comes up, pretty much every single person who favors gun control starts rolling in laughter and immediately writes you off.

take a look at he comments on the news stories.  just an hour after the news came out, the comments sections were flooded with people derisively saying "i cant wait for the NRA to chime in.  let me guess, IF only the teachers were packing, this wouldnt have happened.  lol, NRA is stupid"

it doesnt matter if its right or not, if the people you're arguing against already know the argument, and have already written it off before you even open your mouth.  think with your head, not with your heart.  if you cant wrap your head around that, you're going to continue to be frustrated you keep getting the same responses out of the gun control crowd, while you keep sitting there wondering why no one gets it.

you have to understand, you're arguing against people who dont like you and are deeply biased against your views.  not only that, people who are still emotionally compromised by the event.  this isnt an even debate, and you cant win just by telling the truth.  you're a black man in the jim crow south facing an all white, racist jury who's just framed you for a murder.  the truth doesnt matter as much as it should, you have to be smarter than that.