Not a silencer silencer? (Read 3089 times)

eyeeatingfish

Not a silencer silencer?
« on: December 03, 2023, 04:00:28 PM »
Video is a couple years old but this is the first I have heard of this product.
Checked local law to see if it would pass muster but Hawaii law prohibits silencers and "devices for deadening or muffling the sound of discharged firearms" so I am guessing it would come down to a test case.
Has anyone seen or tried this?

I could see this as a good product for hunting or home defense to limit hearing damage but I don't want to be the test case.

« Last Edit: December 04, 2023, 02:59:32 PM by eyeeatingfish »

changemyoil66

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2023, 07:28:58 PM »
"Its a trap"

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Trumper

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2023, 07:33:10 AM »
what a clown

eyeeatingfish

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2023, 02:27:05 PM »
So we must never publicly discuss any gray area equipment or someone suggests you are trying to trap them? Swoosh

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2023, 02:48:28 PM »
So we must never publicly discuss any gray area equipment or someone suggests you are trying to trap them? Swoosh

Please show where anyone else said that.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2023, 02:58:28 PM »
Please show where anyone else said that.

It was an obvious implication from CMO's meme

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2023, 02:59:45 PM »
It was an obvious implication from CMO's meme

So, nobody else said, "we must never publicly discuss any gray area equipment".

Gotcha.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2023, 04:15:12 PM »
It was an obvious implication from CMO's meme

So there is no way that meant a solvent trap?  This phrase only must mean 1 thing right and it's the thing EEF says is true.  Thanks Newsom.

ren

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2023, 05:44:30 PM »
Video is a couple years old but this is the first I have heard of this product.
Checked local law to see if it would pass muster but Hawaii law prohibits silencers and "devices for deadening or muffling the sound of discharged firearms" so I am guessing it would come down to a test case.
Has anyone seen or tried this?

I could see this as a good product for hunting or home defense to limit hearing damage but I don't want to be the test case.



So you are implying that someone else give this a try and if that person gets charged with a crime...
Don't you have resources at your employer to interpret this product's legality in Hawaii?
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changemyoil66

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2023, 08:03:41 PM »
So you are implying that someone else give this a try and if that person gets charged with a crime...
Don't you have resources at your employer to interpret this product's legality in Hawaii?
Maybe i wasnt refering to a solvent trap. But "IT'S A TRAP", trap.

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RSN172

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2023, 08:10:21 PM »
I have several ear protectors like the ones Hickok45 uses.  I have one hanging on the wall next to my bed right above my gun as well as wherever there is a firearm in my house.  The deafening sound can be an advantage if you are wearing ear protection.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2023, 08:35:10 PM »
I have several ear protectors like the ones Hickok45 uses.  I have one hanging on the wall next to my bed right above my gun as well as wherever there is a firearm in my house.  The deafening sound can be an advantage if you are wearing ear protection.

Not a bad idea, just not sure I would think to turn them on and then put them on before grabbing my gun.

This guy's video said it was still quite loud but it took the edge off so it doesn't seem this device would make it safe to shoot indoors but may reduce the damage. Ultimately it seems close enough in design to a suppresser that I wouldn't feel comfortable getting caught with one unless I had some sort of assurance from authorities it was ok.

macsak

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2023, 09:14:40 PM »
why don't you ask your coworkers...

Not a bad idea, just not sure I would think to turn them on and then put them on before grabbing my gun.

This guy's video said it was still quite loud but it took the edge off so it doesn't seem this device would make it safe to shoot indoors but may reduce the damage. Ultimately it seems close enough in design to a suppresser that I wouldn't feel comfortable getting caught with one unless I had some sort of assurance from authorities it was ok.

kkhawaii

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2023, 09:50:51 PM »
Seems like it’s similar to a linear compensator in which it redirects the noise forward instead of muffling.

changemyoil66

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2023, 08:04:03 AM »
why don't you ask your coworkers...

Don't ask the Shockwave ones.

oldfart

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2023, 08:10:34 AM »
Don't ask the Shockwave ones.
....
What's a Shockwave one?
What, Me Worry?

randay

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2023, 08:59:04 AM »
SME are legal. They are sold in stores and they are used at the range.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2023, 09:38:41 AM »
A silencer or suppressor is an NFA restricted/controlled item.

This SME product does not require an NFA tax stamp.

Legally, this does not rise to the definition of silencer/suppressor.

Unless HI changes the law to call this specific product out as banned, it's legal.

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think HI statute describes what product does.

It's not reducing the noise as much as redirecting it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2023, 09:45:09 AM »
I have several ear protectors like the ones Hickok45 uses.  I have one hanging on the wall next to my bed right above my gun as well as wherever there is a firearm in my house.  The deafening sound can be an advantage if you are wearing ear protection.

I have electronic ears on my headboard.

Turn them on, and I protect my ears while also having a good amount of ambient sounds coming through.

Foam earplugs like you have are much better than nothing, but I prefer electronics which let me hear my environment as well as dampen the sound of a gunshot.


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Not a silencer silencer?
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2023, 10:10:44 AM »
....
What's a Shockwave one?
The Shockwave is a firearm that uses a shotgun shell.  It found a loophole in the law that didn't need an 18inch barrel. 1 FFL carried them, but were told they're illegal.  This happened some years ago when it first was released.