I gave little pepper sprayers to all the gals (and some guys) I know.
They are more convenient to carry.
Comfort and convenience is a big factor for most people.

I gave little pepper sprayers to all the gals (and some guys) I know.
They are more convenient to carry.
Comfort and convenience is a big factor for most people.

That's cool. I know a few other people who do the same. "Here have mine" is common when they talk to random people and the convo of self defense comes up.

You can carry stun guns and tasers, and you can carry pepper spray.

These should be no different.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2021/bills/GM1311_.pdf

The only thing to watch out for is that Byrna also can fire non pepperball projectiles.  Which then makes it fall under the ROH of bb/air guns. So if any of these projectiles are used, then you cannot carry it.

hw are the non-pepperball projectiles classified any differently than pepperball projectiles?

The only thing to watch out for is that Byrna also can fire non pepperball projectiles.  Which then makes it fall under the ROH of bb/air guns. So if any of these projectiles are used, then you cannot carry it.

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/10/22/rise-street-crime-stokes-popularity-non-lethal-pellet-guns-hawaii/

People here have this bass-ackwards view that there has to be a law making certain things legal in order for those things to not be illegal.

Former Honolulu Police Department Deputy Police Chief John McCarthy
said that while it’s legal to own pepper spray for self-defense in Hawaii,
he thinks these weapons may not be legal.

Another example of the mindset of our police -- can't cite a law, but "thinks" something is illegal because it's NOT something that's specified in the law as legal.

The default in our system of justice is simple:  if the law doesn't say it's illegal, then it is legal -- no matter what anyone "thinks."

So messed up!

hw are the non-pepperball projectiles classified any differently than pepperball projectiles?

Honolulu ordinance has a thing about bb's. And a solid rubber ball/metal or like is a bb. compared to a pepper ball.

Honolulu ordinance has a thing about bb's. And a solid rubber ball/metal or like is a bb. compared to a pepper ball.

Under city ordinance, an air gun is defined as "any gun, rifle or pistol … designed to expel a pellet or BB shot."

It's against the law to:

Carry an air gun on any street or public parcel, unless it’s in a carrying case;
Discharge an air gun from any street or public parcel;
Discharge an air gun in a way that endangers people or property;

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/30264770/whats-the-law-say-about-bb-and-pellet-guns/

ROH

§ 41-10.1 Definitions.
   For the purposes of this article, the following definitions apply unless the context clearly indicates or requires a different meaning.

Air Gun. Any gun, rifle, or pistol, by whatever name known, that is designed to expel a pellet or BB shot by the action of compressed air or gas, or by the action of a spring or elastic, but does not include any firearm.

In CA, it's legal to carry the kinetic projectiles (polymer pellets), but NOT the pepper balls.   

isn't the pepper ball just pepper powder on top of a projectile?

Honolulu ordinance has a thing about bb's. And a solid rubber ball/metal or like is a bb. compared to a pepper ball.

isn't the pepper ball just pepper powder on top of a projectile?

This is the million $ question. Is it considered a bb? As the outside is hard, but the inside is filled with pepper powder.  Compared to a solid plastic bb or soilid metal bb. 

#notalawyer, but I think that the pepper projectile doesn't count as a bb.

Check time mark 8:17 for the pepper ball test.

The first part is interesting, too, with the regular SD balls.

Hint:  the pepper balls explode with the proper amount of force upon impact.  I imagine they had to do that so the pepper balls don't explode upon firing.

Check time mark 8:17 for the pepper ball test.

The first part is interesting, too, with the regular SD balls.

Hint:  the pepper balls explode with the proper amount of force upon impact.  I imagine they had to do that so the pepper balls don't explode upon firing.

This is my issue with the pepper balls, many promo vids, they're shooting steel or a hard surface. So a moving target, I'm not sure how effective the pepper balls will break. Plus imagine if you don't get chest and above hits on a moving target, but instead stomach impacts.

Byrnas are an alternative.to CCW for those not into guns, but I don't recommend them as their effectiveness is questionable and cost is high.  Pepper spray and Taser is better.

In the videos above, the people say it hurts and powder burns, but they don't look incapacitated.  Looks like they could still easily attack.  Unless you unload an entire mag into their eyes and mouth.  A low level criminal may be discouraged enough to find easier prey.

This is my issue with the pepper balls, many promo vids, they're shooting steel or a hard surface. So a moving target, I'm not sure how effective the pepper balls will break. Plus imagine if you don't get chest and above hits on a moving target, but instead stomach impacts.

Alternatively, if you don't hit center mass -- either intentionally or just poor aiming during stress -- and happen to hit a wall, table or other hard surface, you might be more likely to get the pepper ball to explode near their face.

Also, if you do miss, you're less likely to have to worry about who is beyond your target compared to a bullet.

Then there's the rare but potential active shooter scenario, where a bullet won't have any effect on hard armor, but a pepper round hitting steel would be more likely to slow them down.

Also, the Byrna is pretty big. I can imagine a woman  carry it in their purse for a few weeks and then stop. Same with IWB.

Also, the Byrna is pretty big. I can imagine a woman  carry it in their purse for a few weeks and then stop. Same with IWB.

too buku! too buku!

 

Check time mark 8:17 for the pepper ball test.

The first part is interesting, too, with the regular SD balls.

Hint:  the pepper balls explode with the proper amount of force upon impact.  I imagine they had to do that so the pepper balls don't explode upon firing.

That is the issue with paintballs, don't want them breaking in the gun but don't want them bouncing off a person either.

Honolulu ordinance has a thing about bb's. And a solid rubber ball/metal or like is a bb. compared to a pepper ball.

BB chart (click to enlarge).  In my opinion, in no way is a .68 dia. projectile considered a BB

Case could be made that BB stands for ball bearing which is metal and not rubber.

Pellet is a more general term tho.

Besides the obvious laws, regulations, and overall attitude against 2a rights, what irks me to no end is how these laws and restrictions can potentially turn a law abiding citizen into a criminal.

And to further the insult, Hawaii's kumbaya attitude to criminals in general where many times they literally get a slap on the wrist then released back out on the streets.

Hawaii's criminals are stupid but they've figured out who has the upper hand here.

BB chart (click to enlarge).  In my opinion, in no way is a .68 dia. projectile considered a BB

Its a combo of what it's made from and how it's propelled.

Made from:
Paintball isn't considered a BB,but has it's own classification due to being filled with paint. Compared to a solid metal or plastic type.

Propelled:
If it's propelled by a release of gas that has to be ignited first in order to initiate the process (gun powder) vs. compressed air or spring (bb gun/airsoft).

ROH for pepper spray says "noxious" gas. No mention of compressed powder. Which is why IMO, pepperballs are unknown, but I'm leaning more toward legal since if there's no law to ban it, then it's legal.