This is rhetorical , but do you read what you post before hitting the post button?

The kid didn't shoot anyone, so he's not a mass shooter.  There is no way to tell how he would react if he had gone thru with it. We only know how he reacted after the teacher took the gun away. Bad example.

How do you know a convict is telling the truth and having "remorse"?  Can you be sure they aren't acting just to get a better sentencing or parole in their favor later?

I mention it as an anecdote because it is an in depth interview where he explains himself. Such a thing is extremely hard to get from people who successfully completed mass shootings given a large number of them are dead and the rest are in jail. In the book I mentioned they tried to contact a dozen or so living mass shooters and only 2 or three were willing to provide talk about their actions.

Is this guy who never actually show someone a perfect case study? No, but I think it is the next best thing.

Sure, it is a fair question about whether a convict might feign remorse in order to gain some benefit but I don't see that being the case. Someone who murders 20 people isn't going to get out early or get a reduced 5 year sentence because they seemed remorseful.

Did you not read what I wrote?  You just wrote, 'That is why I called it a unique form of revenge because the target of his revenge was unrelated to the target of his violence. "

I posted, "They are all psychopaths.  There are no "unique" OR common motives driving them.  They simply have no reason other than to kill -- and who they kill doesn't matter to them."

Show me how "the target of his revenge was unrelated to the target of his violence" is not the same as "...who they kill doesn't matter to them."

And just because you always disagree with me doesn't mean I'm wrong.

i offered evidence of what i'm saying is true.  You only offer the statements by someone else as if they will argue with me for you.

Just stop.  if you can't synthesize the interview and augment it with more than that, nothing you say matters.  i might as well be debating a brick wall -- or a recording of someone you posted a link to.

It is not that I disagree with you, it is that there isn't evidence to support your claim that all mass shooters are psychopaths. You offered evidence about a related topic (murderers in general) but not about mass shooters themselves.

If you want to nitpick what I referred to as unique then fine, go ahead, but where are you going with all of this? Are you trying to make the case that mass shooters and their motives are no different than regular murders or that such differences don't matter?

Why synthesize the interview if you are just going to disqualify what he said since he never actually went through with it? You seem intent on attacking this whole idea that mass shooters are unique from other types or murderers. What good comes of chalking it up to being a psychopath and not looking any deeper?

I almost burned my ex's house down, but decided against it.  Can I get a grant to be studied to determine what motivates an (almost) arsonist and murderer?

What if the only thing stopping me was the price of gas?  Or my aversion to using fossil fuels that are killing the planet?

When does a motivation to do evil get overridden by another motivation that keeps you from acting on that first motivation?

Isn't that what we call a conscience?  Maybe the "almost mass shooter" failed to become one because he really isn't a psychopath, and his moral sense of right and wrong took over?

It almost sounds like going to church and learning about right and wrong could prevent crime.

Could a conscience or moral values stop someone from carrying out a mass shooting? Sure
Could difficulty in getting a gun stop someone from comitting a mass shooting? Also possible.
What about fear or shame? Again, also possible

There is quite a difference between saying you are going to burn your ex's house down and preparing to do so but backing out at the last second. If you poured gas on her house but it was too windy for the lighter to ignite the fire and you gave up I don't think that would be in the same vein as mentally saying you are going to do it but not taking any action towards doing so. Certainly I would not lump just any high school student who felt like going on a shooting rampage as someone who almost went on a school shooting.

Could a conscience or moral values stop someone from carrying out a mass shooting? Sure
Could difficulty in getting a gun stop someone from comitting a mass shooting? Also possible.
What about fear or shame? Again, also possible

There is quite a difference between saying you are going to burn your ex's house down and preparing to do so but backing out at the last second. If you poured gas on her house but it was too windy for the lighter to ignite the fire and you gave up I don't think that would be in the same vein as mentally saying you are going to do it but not taking any action towards doing so. Certainly I would not lump just any high school student who felt like going on a shooting rampage as someone who almost went on a school shooting.

There are people who go to work every day, planning to rob the bank where they work, or kidnap and rape the hot receptionist in their office, or even shoot up the building.  They draw maps, devise plans, buy supplies, read books and websites on "how to" do their desired crimes, and so on.

You know why almost all of them never do?  In large part because the simple process of fantasizing, planning and dreaming of their perfect crimes being executed are, in and of themselves, therapeutic.  They know what they are dreaming of is wrong, but they still want to think about it -- visualize themselves doing it -- and that can create a release of all the pent up anger, frustration, fear or whatever other emotions caused them to think of doing this criminal act.

So, perhaps your "almost shooter' went through all those preps to commit the shooting then decided against because the prepping helped calm his anger.  Sometimes just knowing you could do something and chose not to is just as satisfying as actually doing it and having to suffer the consequences -- or worse, see the impact your actions had on innocent people and their families and friends.

You want to believe he was a mass shooter up to the point he chose not to.  What if he was never a mass shooter, but was enjoying the thought of being one -- just without any intention of ever going through with it?

I mention it as an anecdote because it is an in depth interview where he explains himself. Such a thing is extremely hard to get from people who successfully completed mass shootings given a large number of them are dead and the rest are in jail. In the book I mentioned they tried to contact a dozen or so living mass shooters and only 2 or three were willing to provide talk about their actions.

Is this guy who never actually show someone a perfect case study? No, but I think it is the next best thing.

Sure, it is a fair question about whether a convict might feign remorse in order to gain some benefit but I don't see that being the case. Someone who murders 20 people isn't going to get out early or get a reduced 5 year sentence because they seemed remorseful.

They could also show good behavior so get other benefits in prison.

It is not that I disagree with you, it is that there isn't evidence to support your claim that all mass shooters are psychopaths. Y

AKA I disagree with you.

There are people who go to work every day, planning to rob the bank where they work, or kidnap and rape the hot receptionist in their office, or even shoot up the building.  They draw maps, devise plans, buy supplies, read books and websites on "how to" do their desired crimes, and so on.

You know why almost all of them never do?  In large part because the simple process of fantasizing, planning and dreaming of their perfect crimes being executed are, in and of themselves, therapeutic.  They know what they are dreaming of is wrong, but they still want to think about it -- visualize themselves doing it -- and that can create a release of all the pent up anger, frustration, fear or whatever other emotions caused them to think of doing this criminal act.

Are you admitting to something?

So, perhaps your "almost shooter' went through all those preps to commit the shooting then decided against because the prepping helped calm his anger.  Sometimes just knowing you could do something and chose not to is just as satisfying as actually doing it and having to suffer the consequences -- or worse, see the impact your actions had on innocent people and their families and friends.

That was not the takeaway I got from the interview but I suppose anything is possible. However since you refuse to even listen to the interview you aren't in a position to say what was really going through his miund.

You want to believe he was a mass shooter up to the point he chose not to.  What if he was never a mass shooter, but was enjoying the thought of being one -- just without any intention of ever going through with it?

Do you want to believe he didn't have it in him or that he wasn't serious?

AKA I disagree with you.

Nope, the facts don't agree with him.

They could also show good behavior so get other benefits in prison.

I think actual remorse is a more probably possibility but sure, someone could feign remorse if they thought it would get them some benefit in prison.

I think actual remorse is a more probably possibility but sure, someone could feign remorse if they thought it would get them some benefit in prison.

So u got no solid opinion like usual.

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So u got no solid opinion like usual.

What?  That's one of his most definitive statements!

I think actual remorse is a more probably possibility but sure, someone could feign remorse if they thought it would get them some benefit in prison.

is "probably possibility" like "double secret probation?" 

you forgot his "some" at the end
#objective

What?  That's one of his most definitive statements!

is "probably possibility" like "double secret probation?"

you forgot his "some" at the end
#objective

That's what we have you for.

 

So u got no solid opinion like usual.

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Neither do you. You speculate, then I speculated, now you are going to talk about having a solid opinion?

What?  That's one of his most definitive statements!

is "probably possibility" like "double secret probation?"

Are you an expert in prison administration? If not your speculation is no better than mine. You didn't even have a real rebuttal, you just made fun of the term I used.

Neither do you. You speculate, then I speculated, now you are going to talk about having a solid opinion?

Hahaha, u fell for it.

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Are you an expert in prison administration? If not your speculation is no better than mine. You didn't even have a real rebuttal, you just made fun of the term I used.

Are you an "expert" in anything you post about?

#nuance

Are you an "expert" in anything you post about?

Are you an "expert" in anything you post about?

self-proclaimed "smith" of the 1911 variety

Are you an "expert" in anything you post about?

Depends on how you define expert. Somethings maybe, many things no. When I am not an expert I don't make such certain claims because I know there may be a lot I do not know.