Did he commit the crimes he professes to wanting to do?

No?

Then the evil act never transpired.  So, why would you believe I'd call him evil?

Pay attention to what I'm telling you.  You might learn something.

And stop trying to turn this into a Bible lesson.  I've studied the Bible, both in Church, Scouts and College classes.  The stories are meant to illustrate specific lessons and experiences.  They are not a documentary.  Stick to more current events, please.

I am trying to illustrate a specific lesson for you.

I figure you would call him evil because he was ready to do it. He had a plan, he took steps towards the plan, and he had the resolve. Only thing he didn't have yet was the gun, which he was waiting for another person to deliver to him.

Show me where i said all "these people" (whoever that might include) are psychopaths.  I'm focusing on the ones who decide to commit mass murder.

Show me a mass murderer, and i'll show you a psychopath.

If talking to someone stopped him, then he's not a psychopath.  Read my previous words.  If he didn't commit the murders, then i don't know why you keep trying to say I would paint him as evil.   

Who was the "them" you meant when you said "Third, you can't stop them in the way you mean.  The only way to stop a psychopath is early identification and isolation." then?

Not all mass murderers are psychopaths. Not all active shooters lack empathy.

I am trying to illustrate a specific lesson for you.

I figure you would call him evil because he was ready to do it. He had a plan, he took steps towards the plan, and he had the resolve. Only thing he didn't have yet was the gun, which he was waiting for another person to deliver to him.

Wrong.

People can make evil plans all they want.  Nobody dies from that.  He had the resolve?  LOL!!  Resolve means to make a decision.  When the time came to make the decision, he chose to stop.  It's all premeditation until the shooting starts.  Then the evil actually begins.

Are you really like this?  Or are you just trying to play more mind games?

if that's what you really did...

If adding an additional thought, trying to elaborate on a nuanced subject, is moving the goalposts then so be it.

if that's what you really did...

Nuance is the tool of the losing debater.

Nuance: A subtle or slight degree of difference, as in meaning, feeling, or tone; a gradation.

Basically, if you post something that's wrong, you can try to spin it as being "nuance" -- something really, really close to right given some undefined subtle difference.

and call it being objective...

Nuance is the tool of the losing debater.

Nuance: A subtle or slight degree of difference, as in meaning, feeling, or tone; a gradation.

Basically, if you post something that's wrong, you can try to spin it as being "nuance" -- something really, really close to right given some undefined subtle difference.

Who was the "them" you meant when you said "Third, you can't stop them in the way you mean.  The only way to stop a psychopath is early identification and isolation." then?

Not all mass murderers are psychopaths. Not all active shooters lack empathy.

Got any evidence of that?

To help determine to what extent murderers tend to be psychopaths, a recent
paper performed a meta-analysis of 22 studies of more than 2,600 homicide
offenders in six countries, in which each offender’s psychopathy score was
assessed using either the PCL-R or PCL-YV (youth version, used for juvenile
offenders) (Fox & DeLisi, 2018). They found that the average PCL-R score for
someone who had committed murder in these studies was 21.1, with scores
ranging from 9.4—31.5. Robert Hare estimated that the average PCL-R score
in the general non-offender population is 4 or 5, so this means that all the
offenders were at least somewhat higher than the community average and that
most murderers studied could be considered at least “moderately” psychopathic.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/201812/are-murderers-unfairly-labeled-psychopaths

The scores for all murderers studied were 2 to 8 times higher that that of the non-offender population, making them all exhibiting at least some traits of psychopathy.

Those tests included murderers who did not commit mass murder.  I would have to deduce that the larger the offense, the more likely their score would increase.  This backs up my deduction:

Specifically, those who committed murders involving sexual and/or sadistic
elements had higher average psychopathy scores compared to those who
committed less heinous forms of murder.

i.e. The more heinous the crime, the higher the psychopathy scores.  I believe mass murder is in the "heinous" category.

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Poor, misunderstood psychopath...

Nuance is the tool of the losing debater.

Wrong. It is for people who care who see the world outside of black and white

if that's what you really did...

Have you never written something then gone back later to add another line to make something more clear or to emphasize a point?

very objective of you, officer strawman...

Have you never written something then gone back later to add another line to make something more clear or to emphasize a point?

so says the master debater...

Wrong. It is for people who care who see the world outside of black and white

Wrong.

People can make evil plans all they want.  Nobody dies from that.  He had the resolve?  LOL!!  Resolve means to make a decision.  When the time came to make the decision, he chose to stop.  It's all premeditation until the shooting starts.  Then the evil actually begins.

Are you really like this?  Or are you just trying to play more mind games?

You refuse to differentiate between an evil act and an evil person. 

When you watch the interview maybe we can continue this conversation.

so says the master debater...

well I wouldn't consider myself a "master"....

very objective of you, officer strawman...

What strawman do you feel I created?

Got any evidence of that?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/201812/are-murderers-unfairly-labeled-psychopaths

The scores for all murderers studied were 2 to 8 times higher that that of the non-offender population, making them all exhibiting at least some traits of psychopathy.

Those tests included murderers who did not commit mass murder.  I would have to deduce that the larger the offense, the more likely their score would increase.  This backs up my deduction:
i.e. The more heinous the crime, the higher the psychopathy scores.  I believe mass murder is in the "heinous" category.

Above average ≠ All

Looking at mass shootings as murders is also misleading. They are as much suicides as they are murders.
It is a valid question to ask though. One would be reasonable to consider that maybe psychopathy was present if they were able to kill people like that.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-positivity/202208/mass-shooters-systematic-psychiatric-study
Schizophrenia is the most common diagnosis of mass shooters. "Cerfolio et al. (2022) found that 18 of the 35 surviving shooters had schizophrenia, overwhelmingly the most common diagnosis."

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/mass-shooters-and-psychopathology-spectrum
" .....second that horrific violence on a mass scale is well within the range of socially deviant but psychiatrically “non-disordered” human behavior. Tragically, human history tells us that this has always been so."

Above average ≠ All

Looking at mass shootings as murders is also misleading. They are as much suicides as they are murders.
It is a valid question to ask though. One would be reasonable to consider that maybe psychopathy was present if they were able to kill people like that.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-positivity/202208/mass-shooters-systematic-psychiatric-study
Schizophrenia is the most common diagnosis of mass shooters. "Cerfolio et al. (2022) found that 18 of the 35 surviving shooters had schizophrenia, overwhelmingly the most common diagnosis."

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/view/mass-shooters-and-psychopathology-spectrum
" .....second that horrific violence on a mass scale is well within the range of socially deviant but psychiatrically “non-disordered” human behavior. Tragically, human history tells us that this has always been so."

Learn to read.  All murderers studied showed above average scores for psychopathy.

Also;

Conclusions: The comorbidity of schizophrenia and psychopathy was found
to be higher among violent patients than among nonviolent patients. Violent patients
with schizophrenia who score high on measures of psychopathy may have a
personality disorder that precedes the emergence of psychotic symptoms, or they
may constitute a previously unclassified subtype of schizophrenia, characterized
by early symptoms of conduct disorder symptoms and persistent violent behavior.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10375148/

It's not a single variable cause.  Why must you be so argumentative when you know so little about this topic?

Learn to read.  All murderers studied showed above average scores for psychopathy.

Also;https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10375148/

It's not a single variable cause.  Why must you be so argumentative when you know so little about this topic?

You make a false statement, I point out that you are wrong, and you complain that I am too argumentative. You just can't stand being shown to be wrong.

You are moving the goalpost, first you indirectly state all mass shooters are psychopaths then you say murderers are above average. Your own citation refutes your first statement and you didn't realize it. Furthermore you admit that you are using one set of data to make an assumption about a subset of individuals. You also completely ignored the evidence I mentioned on the specific group of individuals. You like data, until it undermines your claims.

You also stated "All murderers studied showed...." Did you check to see if they studied any mass shooters or you just making assumptions again?

You want to say if someone does an evil thing that they are themselves evil, fine, you have a right to that opinion and we can agree to disagree there but don't go lecturing me with your false assumptions.

You make a false statement, I point out that you are wrong, and you complain that I am too argumentative. You just can't stand being shown to be wrong.

You are moving the goalpost, first you indirectly state all mass shooters are psychopaths then you say murderers are above average. Your own citation refutes your first statement and you didn't realize it. Furthermore you admit that you are using one set of data to make an assumption about a subset of individuals. You also completely ignored the evidence I mentioned on the specific group of individuals. You like data, until it undermines your claims.

You also stated "All murderers studied showed...." Did you check to see if they studied any mass shooters or you just making assumptions again?

You want to say if someone does an evil thing that they are themselves evil, fine, you have a right to that opinion and we can agree to disagree there but don't go lecturing me with your false assumptions.

Are you making up terms now?  That's an oxymoron, moron.

You either make a statement, or you indirectly imply something.  You can't indirectly state anything!  LOL!!

You'd be funny if you weren't so annoying.

False assumptions?  Which ones are false?  You have proof?

And why would the study need to have a separate category for mass shooters?  Are they somehow different than murderers with lower body counts?  Some ATTEMPTED mass shooters were stopped before they reached the requisite number to be classified a mass shooting.  Which category do you put them in?

You're moving the posts again, trying to make what I POSTED (not stated) irrelevant based on your irrelevant criteria.

Lame.

You're moving the posts again, trying to make what I POSTED (not stated) irrelevant based on your irrelevant criteria.

Lame.

^^^This.