HPD Press conference on new firearm laws. (Read 13119 times)

ren

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2024, 02:20:27 PM »
as if your colonoscopy doctor, or dentist will be able to provide relevant insight.  Doctors will tend to choose the path that provides the least liability.

so they can disqualify you on any disability...got a cavity? DQd! Why? because it shows you cant take care of yourself
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macsak

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2024, 02:49:13 PM »
dentists are not real doctors...

so they can disqualify you on any disability...got a cavity? DQd! Why? because it shows you cant take care of yourself

aieahound

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2024, 05:57:22 PM »
Glad I don’t have any guns or ammo.
  :D
This is ludacris. 

40 day waiting and psych evaluation (including expense) to get a permit for a Right. Interesting.

QUIETShooter

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2024, 09:31:47 AM »
This is Hawaii.  Land of Aloha.

And Bullsh*t.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2024, 08:53:34 AM »
with the new mental health requirement, would a Dr.'s clearance note satisfy this requirement? or has to go through the new BS?
bc kaiser policy is for doctors to not answer any firearms letters.  the letter from hpd goes straight to the general mail room and they send back a  copy of any psychologist notes if you ever had a visit with one then its up to hpd to red flag you or not. kaiser would have to change their policy to comply with hpd's new policy, other wise its the same as before as far as kaiser is concerned


That's why Kaiser throws it back to HPD and vice versa. 

Liability.

But a colonoscopy or podiatrist doctor should be able to give HPD an accurate assessment as to your mental capacity to responsibly and safely own a firearm. :crazy: :crazy:

Just another fine day in the banana republik of hawaii.  A paradise run by retards.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Rocky

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2024, 09:15:20 AM »
dentists are not real doctors...
Still gets no discount !  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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MrJones

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2024, 02:14:53 PM »
My wife was told even though she gets her new firearms safety course done she cannot pick her permit up till 1/22/24 because the chief has to sign some legal document.

Dr Jones

changemyoil66

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2024, 05:09:42 PM »
My wife was told even though she gets her new firearms safety course done she cannot pick her permit up till 1/22/24 because the chief has to sign some legal document.

Dr Jones
Chiefs rules document maybe?

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MrJones

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2024, 05:35:59 PM »
Not sure, I was wondering if anyone else had been told this.

Dr Jones

groveler

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2024, 08:43:57 PM »

That's why Kaiser throws it back to HPD and vice versa. 

Liability.

But a colonoscopy or podiatrist doctor should be able to give HPD an accurate assessment as to your mental capacity to responsibly and safely own a firearm. :crazy: :crazy:

Just another fine day in the banana republik of hawaii.  A paradise run by retards.
"Just another fine day in the banana republik of hawaii.  A paradise run by retards."
With all due respect to the elected ones,  They put in some effort to get elected.
The real retards are the one that vote for them.
 :wacko:

ren

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2024, 07:55:01 PM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/01/10/proposed-new-rules-gun-permits-draws-passionate-testimony-both-sides-issue/

But others in attendance voiced their support for HPD and even called for stricter regulations, including a woman whose daughter was a victim of gun violence.

“My daughter was found shot in the back of the head, wrapped in a blanket and left in her tub,” said Ilima Decosta. “There’s no consequence for the man that owned the firearm because he found a way to weasel out of it. I would like to make sure that we have a proper background check.”
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macsak

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2024, 07:57:19 PM »
her story changes every time...

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/01/10/proposed-new-rules-gun-permits-draws-passionate-testimony-both-sides-issue/

But others in attendance voiced their support for HPD and even called for stricter regulations, including a woman whose daughter was a victim of gun violence.

“My daughter was found shot in the back of the head, wrapped in a blanket and left in her tub,” said Ilima Decosta. “There’s no consequence for the man that owned the firearm because he found a way to weasel out of it. I would like to make sure that we have a proper background check.”

zippz

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2024, 08:07:47 PM »
“My daughter was found shot in the back of the head, wrapped in a blanket and left in her tub,” said Ilima Decosta. “There’s no consequence for the man that owned the firearm because he found a way to weasel out of it. I would like to make sure that we have a proper background check.”[/i]

She said it was a suicide, but she keeps bringing that other stuff up as if it was a murder from her husband/ex-husband(?).  I looked up the information and found an obituary, but no other information leading me to believe it was a suicide.  I feel sorry for her to lose a daughter to suicide and can't blame her for doing what she's doing.  She thinks it's a murder to cope with it, guess it's easier to believe that than a suicide.  She wears the Moms Demand Action shirt but I don't see her interacting closely with the other members.  She might be too much for them to handle.

eyeeatingfish

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2024, 02:28:02 AM »
1 part is you have to list all your primary doctors, not just your current one. IDK how Kaiser will treat this.

Do they no longer allow someone to say that they don't have a doctor?

eyeeatingfish

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2024, 02:33:34 AM »
Glad I don’t have any guns or ammo.
  :D
This is ludacris. 

40 day waiting and psych evaluation (including expense) to get a permit for a Right. Interesting.

And who is going to litigate it if the decision is challenged? HPD will likely default to the doctor's note but then who would you sue and that if two doctors give conflicting reports?

Would seem the cost should be covered by the government if they were going to require the evaluation.

I think the whole requiring of a psych evaluation is one of the biggest issues in terms of constitutional rights. Is there any other right the government can require such things before you are allowed to practice it?

changemyoil66

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2024, 09:10:06 AM »
Do they no longer allow someone to say that they don't have a doctor?

Correct. You must list a prior doctor.

Alika

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2024, 09:37:54 AM »
Correct. You must list a prior doctor.
What happens when your pediatrician is deceased?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2024, 09:52:38 AM »
What happens when your pediatrician is deceased?

Complicated question.

If the doctor was part of a medical practice with partners, his records (and the patients) may be assigned to another doctor.  Any records would be available for the background check.

Even if he was the sole proprietor, patient records could still exist.

The question really becomes, did your doctor even keep records on your treatment in the first place (some mental health practitioners don't keep written records), and what does the law in your state require for record retention after the practice closes?

If your pediatrician was part of an HMO, the records will exist in the HMO's patient files.  There may also be copies of records provided to the insurance provider you used.

The fun part is how long it might take for HPD to request your documents and how long the provider has to produce them.

Obtaining Medical Records from Closed Practices
https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2021-02/Patient-access-obtaining-medical-records-from-closed-practices.pdf
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2024, 10:52:53 AM »

The fun part is how long it might take for HPD to request your documents and how long the provider has to produce them.



1 reason why they changed it from 20 days to 40 days.  The amount of lawsuits tehy would get due to denying people after 20 days would be a factor.

Rocky

Re: HPD Press conference on new firearm laws.
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2024, 04:46:00 PM »
Correct. You must list a prior doctor.
Can I list my DDS ?  :wacko:
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