I'd be very interested to know whether
all other Hawaii gun stores
have sold zero firearms
since Jan 1st.

Long Gun sales are probably still happening, IMO I think it's handgun sales are are most adversely impacted, much to the joy of Karl Rhoads.  His legislation is working as intended.

Yiu is in favor of making more training available to those who want to learn,
but he doesn’t think it should be mandated. He said the new rules have also
impacted his business because no one, even those who took a handgun safety
course as recently as last year, can purchase a gun until they take the new course.

From his in-person testimony:

Regarding on the new rule about having more class, I think it's necessary.
because, uh, I've been teaching over 500 to 800 student, I didn't count, but,uh,
the student that left my shop, at least they have a basic of handling the firearm.

i know that Honolulu, Hawaii, been doing the hunter educational for the past long
long time, whatever, whatever time.  That's mean they don't need a handgun
safety class in order to buy a handgun.  but trust me, a lot of people that shooting at
the range, a lot of people that got the concealed carry license, i don't think they
shouldn't even carry a gun.

Now, just you know, it's my opinion, okay.  Yes, more training is necessary, especially
if you add the mental health and, um uh, domestic violence and also the suicide
prevention.  Right. Um, yes.

i'm a certified right now on the island, so i can teach the newest, uh, class for anybody,
but the point is, by adding that it will help preventing a person that not even
supposed to own a gun and they can walk around with a gun.

Okay, so, more class i think is necessary, and to be honest, our Second Amendment
we still, uh, affected, so, I mean, we still have the freedom to carry a gun.  I mean,
we still have the freedom to own a gun, so we should keep it that way.

Thank you very much.

Long Gun sales are probably still happening, IMO I think it's handgun sales are are most adversely impacted, much to the joy of Karl Rhoads.  His legislation is working as intended.

Kit Yiu, a Honolulu gun dealer and certified firearms instructor, hasn’t sold any guns since the start of the year.

He didn't say handguns.  He said any guns.

Again, are other shops seeing zero sales OF ANY GUN -- long gun or handgun -- since the new law took effect?

how's his pink shirt and yellow fanny pack

 

how's his pink shirt and yellow fanny pack

If you wear a fanny pack closer to your head than your fanny, it says something ....

He didn't say handguns.  He said any guns.

Again, are other shops seeing zero sales OF ANY GUN -- long gun or handgun -- since the new law took effect?

Maybe people are choosing to shop elsewhere.

If you wear a fanny pack closer to your head than your fanny, it says something ....

 

    I see the links to his site via facebook,  instagram, yelp, mapquest, and youtube are back up.

You could always "check" his reviews at the following: 

https://www.chamberofcommerce.com/business-directory/hawaii/honolulu/gun-shop/2023143263-kit-n-gun
https://www.yelp.com/biz/kit-n-gun-urban-honolulu-2

Quote from: Rocky on January 11, 2024, 11:04:58 AM

    I see the link to his site via facebook has been removed and links via instagram, yelp, mapquest, and youtube are not working.

Did you know that if you advertise on Google, you are CHARGED FOR EVERY CLICK to your site ?   

Maybe people are choosing to shop elsewhere.

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I'm thinking of dropping by his store and inquire if he has any Filipino long eggplant, Korean Daikon, and 30 WT Synthetic engine oil to sell.

Then tell him: Oh well, too bad.....

U should, that way u dont have to move goal post or thread needs to go on and on and on.

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Another phrase you use frequently but don't seem to understand the meaning...

It doesn't need to go on and on, you make it go on and on. I was perfectly content with your explanation that you knew he understood english well despite the accent.

It's probably an unpopular opinion here, but I actually agree with the guy...

I don't think a permit should be required for any long gun (AR to shotgun to musket) unless you want to carry it in public.
I think a permit should be required to own a handgun, and if you want to carry it in public, you also should have a permit demonstrating you have the skills necessary to carry and deploy that firearm safely.

My reasoning for this is simply because long guns are rarely used in crimes and cannot really be concealed. In situations where a long gun is used, you can usually take your time (e.g. hunting or skeet shooting) and there probably aren't a lot of people around. However, when you carry a handgun, we need to make sure you don't have a criminal history since gun crimes are usually committed with handguns. In addition, carrying a concealed handgun requires skills that people don't naturally have. People fumble holstering/unholstering a weapon in giant outside-the-waistband holsters... I think people should be required to demonstrate they can remove a layer of clothing and deploy a concealed weapon without injuring themselves or someone else. Also, since CCWing means you'll be carrying in public, there are a lot of people around who could be hurt. I see police who have "training" running, one-handed, indiscriminately firing at a target 20-30 yards away at an obviously unclear backdrop. It's troubling to think what someone who has absolutely no training will do. In exchange for this training though, the state shouldn't have such a wide "Sensitive Place" ban when police officers are allowed to carry in those same places while off duty, and their tactic of trying to shame Pro2A property owners by requiring placement of signage saying "GUNS ALLOWED" is ridiculous.

Just my 2 cents

Careful, you are going to awake the keyboard constitutional scholars.

In all seriousness though, your points aren't wrong but the text of the 2nd amendment really doesn't get into that level of distinction so legislating your suggestions meets quick challenge.

Anytime a government entity (HPD) tells you what training is required, what instructors are certified by them, and what proficiency you must attain yet the only public shooting range prohibits you from training to acquire that proficiency, already shows they are trying to discourage, deny, and severely restrict your ability to exercise your 2a rights.

I understand your concern for a CCW holder to be trained and proficient.  That can be attained without the stranglehold of government authority.

How do you think it could be enforced? Anyone can go out and get good CCW training but the question is what about someone who doesn't because it isn't a requirement?

How do you think it could be enforced? Anyone can go out and get good CCW training but the question is what about someone who doesn't because it isn't a requirement?

What about it?  His fate will be revealed based on his effort towards training or lack of it.

To me, the training should be on the individual.  And if the State and the nation as a whole has their act together, the laws in place would deter a CCW holder from becoming laxed.  Because the consequences of their actions would put them in the hurt locker for sure.

And before we throw up our arms in the air and cry "But innocents could get hurt or killed" let me say this.

Yes.  It could.  We are all looking for solutions but we all know deep inside there is no magic scenario that will protect everyone.  The best we can do is find the solution that doesn't trample on rights or the constitution.

Constitutional carry is a reality in over half the states in the nation.  It's not a perfect solution but it is based on common sense and the Constitution of the United States.

so you moving goalpost from claiming you watched the video, yet didn't know which guy kit was?

Another phrase you use frequently but don't seem to understand the meaning...

It doesn't need to go on and on, you make it go on and on. I was perfectly content with your explanation that you knew he understood english well despite the accent.

so you moving goalpost from claiming you watched the video, yet didn't know which guy kit was?

"facial comparison" but doesn't one have to establish a facial reference?

What about it?  His fate will be revealed based on his effort towards training or lack of it.

To me, the training should be on the individual.  And if the State and the nation as a whole has their act together, the laws in place would deter a CCW holder from becoming laxed.  Because the consequences of their actions would put them in the hurt locker for sure.

And before we throw up our arms in the air and cry "But innocents could get hurt or killed" let me say this.

Yes.  It could.  We are all looking for solutions but we all know deep inside there is no magic scenario that will protect everyone.  The best we can do is find the solution that doesn't trample on rights or the constitution.

Constitutional carry is a reality in over half the states in the nation.  It's not a perfect solution but it is based on common sense and the Constitution of the United States.

I think the issue is not the fate of the CCW who doesn't know what he is doing but the fate of those around him who get hurt by said person's actions.

I fully agree that any individual wanting to carry a firearm should seek training. The con to not requiring training is that we then have to rely on social pressure/culture to convince CCW holders to get training on their own.

Personally I am on the fence on this issue. I have given quite a bit of thought to how you could strongly incentivize training without having to pull the trigger on letting the government start putting in more requirements.

In Japan during covid everyone wore masks all over the place, but it was never actually a law, The Japanese just did it out of respect and responsibility.

so you moving goalpost from claiming you watched the video, yet didn't know which guy kit was?

I watched the video, I just don't recall the part where they introduced themselves, therefore I don't recall which one of them was kit. That's not goal post moving, I am just answering your question about how I could have watched the video and not know which one Kit is.

it was literally the first line of his statement
he said his first name, spelled his last name, and said he owned a gun shop
you are either not very observant, or a really bad liar
both are not good traits in someone who works in law enforcement...

I watched the video, I just don't recall the part where they introduced themselves, therefore I don't recall which one of them was kit. That's not goal post moving, I am just answering your question about how I could have watched the video and not know which one Kit is.

shocking...

I think the issue is not the fate of the CCW who doesn't know what he is doing but the fate of those around him who get hurt by said person's actions.

I fully agree that any individual wanting to carry a firearm should seek training. The con to not requiring training is that we then have to rely on social pressure/culture to convince CCW holders to get training on their own.

Personally I am on the fence on this issue. I have given quite a bit of thought to how you could strongly incentivize training without having to pull the trigger on letting the government start putting in more requirements.

In Japan during covid everyone wore masks all over the place, but it was never actually a law, The Japanese just did it out of respect and responsibility.