This is the section that allows for grandfathering of registered firearms "   This subsection shall not apply to a person's possession of an assault rifle, assault shotgun, or .50 caliber rifle registered to the person subject to the requirements of section 134-3."

There are people with unregistered rifles grandfathered before the registration law passed long ago.  These will have to be registered.

As the bill is written, if you take one of these firearms out of state - like to hunt, shooting class,  manufacturer repair (?), etc, you cannot bring it back to Hawaii

Almost all semiauto rifles will be considered AW to include mini14s, m1 carbines, etc because of the barrel shroud.

Some semi-auto shotguns will be banned because of the 5 shell limit for the tubes

This is the section that allows for grandfathering of registered firearms "   This subsection shall not apply to a person's possession of an assault rifle, assault shotgun, or .50 caliber rifle registered to the person subject to the requirements of section 134-3."

There are people with unregistered rifles grandfathered before the registration law passed long ago.  These will have to be registered.

As the bill is written, if you take one of these firearms out of state - like to hunt, shooting class,  manufacturer repair (?), etc, you cannot bring it back to Hawaii

Almost all semiauto rifles will be considered AW to include mini14s, m1 carbines, etc because of the barrel shroud.

Some semi-auto shotguns will be banned because of the 5 shell limit for the tubes

Is this just state? and not county? When we hunt we take our guns from oahu to lanai or molokai and back. I guess that would be maui county.

Is this just state? and not county? When we hunt we take our guns from oahu to lanai or molokai and back. I guess that would be maui county.

The bill says State

I will not comply.

This is the section that allows for grandfathering of registered firearms

There are people with unregistered rifles grandfathered before the registration law passed long ago.  These will have to be registered.



Almost all semiauto rifles will be considered AW to include mini14s, m1 carbines, etc because of the barrel shroud.

The bill says State

sorry for not knowing and also you dont have to look for it for me but where states pre94 now need to be registered, and where is/was the old grandfather exclusion for pre94 unregisterered rifles?

if that previous grandfather clause has/is been done away with/going to be, we should also assume that any grandfathering with this bill can also be done away with in future sessions?

sorry for not knowing and also you dont have to look for it for me but where states pre94 now need to be registered, and where is/was the old grandfather exclusion for pre94 unregisterered rifles?

if that previous grandfather clause has/is been done away with/going to be, we should also assume that any grandfathering with this bill can also be done away with in future sessions?

Even though the pre94 section (e) isn't crossed out (deleted), the section right after (f) has a specific date on it.  Which means both are in effect.  Which means the pre94 one doesn't matter anymore since there's no exception about pre94 written in the new underlines section (f).

You are right to assume that any grandfathering can be done away with in the future.  Also anyone who made a HI compliant "assault pistol" cannot do so anymore either because the bill mentions about a fixed mag accepting more than 10rds. So they have also are making having the HI compliant "assault pistols" illegal to leave the state, fix, or transfer ownership if it has a fixed mag that holds more than 10rds..

I'm no attorney, but I'm sure any law that retroactively bans something is significantly harder to pass because it will run into even greater constitutional challenges.

I don't support this bill, but I feel like if there really is no "grandfather clause" it will be indefensible and shall not pass. In my opinion, I'd temper the whole "they're gonna go door to door and take away all of our freedom if this bill passes" because I think that's far, far less of a possibility than it seems.

I already feel the vibes... "omg he's telling us not to write in because he secretly wants guns banned". No, that's not what I'm saying. You exercise your 1st to the maximum extent of the law. However, you probably don't want to sound like a paranoid lunatic in the process. At the end of the day, "you, do you".

On the other hand if thousands of people wrote in that they would refuse to comply then the pressure goes back on the politicians to start calculating the social costs of overstepping this far

On the other hand if thousands of people wrote in that they would refuse to comply then the pressure goes back on the politicians to start calculating the social costs of overstepping this far

Nah, they will get HPD to do their dirty work with the justification "just following orders".

On the other hand if thousands of people wrote in that they would refuse to comply then the pressure goes back on the politicians to start calculating the social costs of overstepping this far

I will not comply.  If they want it because they banned it, then they come and take it.  I'm not saying I will respond violently or anything like that, just saying you want it come f*cking get it.  Good luck breaking my front door down and breaking into my safe.  Like I said, I will not comply.

Otherwise, leave me alone.  I've owned my firearms responsibly and safely for more years than these young'uns have been on this fricken earth. 

I plan to ask why LE would be exempt from this ban.  Then I plan to ask them for their protocols that shows how it prevents any of their "well trained" members from leaving a f*ckn weapon unattended.

I wonder what their reasoning is for LE to possess these "assault weapons".  To combat criminals who possess these weapons and don't follow laws?  If that is the reasoning then it shows they don't give a rat's ass about law-abiding citizens.

Just another dick move towards an authoritarian state.  F*ck them.

Nah, they will get HPD to do their dirty work with the justification "just following orders".

HPD is not capable of doing thousands of house calls. The justice system is not capable of dealing with thousands of additional cases. Not to mention that the optics would be horrible. They can’t throw us all in jail.

HPD is not capable of doing thousands of house calls. The justice system is not capable of dealing with thousands of additional cases. Not to mention that the optics would be horrible. They can’t throw us all in jail.

When it comes time for confiscation, most will turn their guns in by the due date.  Then those who didn't will only be a small fraction, so they will send letters to remind people to turn their rifles in.  Then they will go to the homes on file and knock, but those who they think will put  up a fight, they will just wait till they leave and pull them over on the street.

When it comes time for confiscation, most will turn their guns in by the due date.  Then those who didn't will only be a small fraction, so they will send letters to remind people to turn their rifles in.  Then they will go to the homes on file and knock, but those who they think will put  up a fight, they will just wait till they leave and pull them over on the street.

You're making a lot of assumptions. A significant amount of people have already quietly checked out, and even more are feeling rather stupid for playing along for so long and have begun weighing their options. I admire the amount of time and energy you have put into complying with the system and being a model citizen, but at some point you have to realize that their overall goal is setting everything up for turnkey totalitarianism. There will be a triggering event, and all that effort trying to stay on their good side will have been for nothing.

Would it be possible to think that here, in Hawaii, there are LE officers courageous enough and smart enough to realize how f*cked up this bill is and declare they will not enforce it?

 

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Would it be possible to think that here, in Hawaii, there are LE officers courageous enough and smart enough to realize how f*cked up this bill is and declare they will not enforce it?

 

Yeah, I didn't think so.

My concern is that a bunch of them will walk off the job due to "circumstances" and the only people enforcing any sort of law will be the neighborhood gangsters

HPD is not capable of doing thousands of house calls. The justice system is not capable of dealing with thousands of additional cases. Not to mention that the optics would be horrible. They can’t throw us all in jail.

No, but they can charge us all with a misdemeanor gun crime, use that as justification for stripping us of our 2A rights, then tell us to turn every gun we own in for destruction.

This is the way they will try to get rid of all private guns -- stepping stones.

This is the way they will try to get rid of all private guns -- stepping stones.

That's going to happen anyway, but if someone were to figure out how to jam up the court system with civil disobedience then it would take them a whole lot longer to get around to it and put their incompetence on display.

The reason they are rushing such ambitious and short sighted legislation is that they know they are weak and about to lose control. This is a move of desperation.

But I can see why someone raised in an all-powerful Uniparty State would fall for such a bluff and find it difficult to believe that it the long established power centers are about to get swept away in the tides of history.

That's going to happen anyway, but if someone were to figure out how to jam up the court system with civil disobedience then it would take them a whole lot longer to get around to it and put their incompetence on display.

The reason they are rushing such ambitious and short sighted legislation is that they know they are weak and about to lose control. This is a move of desperation.

But I can see why someone raised in an all-powerful Uniparty State would fall for such a bluff and find it difficult to believe that it the long established power centers are about to get swept away in the tides of history.

Good thing I wasn't raised here!

 

Good thing I wasn't raised here!

 

You know what I mean. Playing a rigged game is a fool's errand and there's a wide range of options between comply or die.

You know what I mean. Playing a rigged game is a fool's errand and there's a wide range of options between comply or die.

Many of those options are moot, since the dealer, the umpire, the ref and the judge are all aligned against us.

That's how the game is rigged, and those "options" are all part of the same game.

The only way to change the outcome short of tipping the board over is to change the people enforcing the rules.  Unfortunately, they control that part of the game as well.

That's going to happen anyway, but if someone were to figure out how to jam up the court system with civil disobedience then it would take them a whole lot longer to get around to it and put their incompetence on display.

The reason they are rushing such ambitious and short sighted legislation is that they know they are weak and about to lose control. This is a move of desperation.

But I can see why someone raised in an all-powerful Uniparty State would fall for such a bluff and find it difficult to believe that it the long established power centers are about to get swept away in the tides of history.

I think, the reason they are rushing such ambitious and short-sighted legislation is, that judging from the relatively paltry submission of testimony for SB1230, they know Hawaii 2A can be ignored (i.e. Karl Rhoads pushes through whatever he wants regardless of opposing testimony), and judging from how they were successful at pushing SB1230 through, they're just building on that success and piling it on while we're still reeling from the effects of SB1230.

Hawaii is ranked 2nd-worst in the nation for 2A, beat out only by NY, and Karl Rhoads wants to be #1.
based on Guns & Ammo magazine 2023 survey, IIRC.

and, HPD will do as ordered "because of their dental plan."