They win because WE have dental plans and would rather keep our cushy lifestyle than stand up in solidarity against tyranny.

The point I’m trying to make is that when it costs $2.50 of federal spending for each dollar of gdp growth that means our cushy lifestyles are about to disappear forever (along with all dollar denominated assets) and collectively we have way less to lose than we think.

By making all of these fire arms illegal, it will give organized crime complete control of the market.
Few legit local gun stores will be able to survive only on LE sales.
What a great business opportunity for the black market.
The black market fire arms will be: Unregistered, Unlicensed, Untaxed, Unserialized, and Uncontrolled.
Mexico here we come.
IF he gets out of jail, Miske will find many of his fellow crime bosses enriched by illegal fire arms.
The Hawaii State Legislature: Making Organized Crime Great Again.
If you want something to sell like hot cakes, just make it illegal.
Ronnie Barrett will not like this.HI LE will have to adapt to another platform.
Other companies may follow his lead.

If government keeps treating the law abiding like criminals, there will be no law abiding people.
 

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2024/01/26/oahu-sees-alarming-rash-destructive-business-break-ins-hpd-response-is-unclear/

The criminal gangs are already getting bold because HPD no longer has the resources to investigate anything but the highest profile crimes. The staffing shortages are not getting better and inflation keeps cutting back their paychecks. How long will it be until 911 goes to a slack key recording?

if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2024/01/26/oahu-sees-alarming-rash-destructive-business-break-ins-hpd-response-is-unclear/

The criminal gangs are already getting bold because HPD no longer has the resources to investigate anything but the highest profile crimes. The staffing shortages are not getting better and inflation keeps cutting back their paychecks. How long will it be until 911 goes to a slack key recording?

just a couple weeks ago I called 911/hpd bc a homeless guy was sleeping on the corner by my house for 5 days in a row. in the past they have been pretty good at sending a car out to tell someone to leave, but not this time
911 operator says "we will send somebody out there"
ok, 5 hours later, they send nobody
so I have to handle it myself
not only do they do nothing, but puts me in danger now bc I can't just let it go another day

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2024/01/26/oahu-sees-alarming-rash-destructive-business-break-ins-hpd-response-is-unclear/

How long will it be until 911 goes to a slack key recording?

911:  If this is a mass shooting Good Luck.

911:  If this is an assault we're so sorry.

911:  If you are getting raped or sodomized try not to think about it.  It will soon be over.

911:  If this is a home invasion press "1" to listen to slack key music while you, your loved ones and your house goes to sh*t.

Thank You for calling the 911 hotline. 

just a couple weeks ago I called 911/hpd bc a homeless guy was sleeping on the corner by my house for 5 days in a row. in the past they have been pretty good at sending a car out to tell someone to leave, but not this time
911 operator says "we will send somebody out there"
ok, 5 hours later, they send nobody
so I have to handle it myself
not only do they do nothing, but puts me in danger now bc I can't just let it go another day

Jack Osborne (Ozzy's son) has a son who goes to a private school.  They have $ so it's not a crap private school.  THis is in LA. They often have trespassers (homeless) come on campus.  The last one, the school called LAPD and it took 5 hours before a cop showed up.  So Jack said, unless it's an active shooting, don't count on LAPD to show up quickly.

just a couple weeks ago I called 911/hpd bc a homeless guy was sleeping on the corner by my house for 5 days in a row. in the past they have been pretty good at sending a car out to tell someone to leave, but not this time
911 operator says "we will send somebody out there"
ok, 5 hours later, they send nobody
so I have to handle it myself
not only do they do nothing, but puts me in danger now bc I can't just let it go another day

To be reasonable (objective?), that was not an emergency call.  And if the guy was on your property, you have the right to tell him to leave.

If he's on the corner (public sidewalk?), then you have to call the cops, and wait ..... and wait. 

I know what I'd do.  I'd walk up close, take video of him for identification, and if he asks what you're doing, just say it's for a documentary (which is true: it's documentation).

Beyond that, if he's not looking in cars, testing door knobs, or opening mailboxes, sleeping isn't breaking the law. 

Maybe he's waiting on a bus, and just fell asleep?     

Depending on the guy's demeanor, I might offer him some food or water, just to check and see that he's not in physical distress (OD, medical problems, injured).  There have been cases of people dying on trains and nobody bothered to check on them as they rode from start to end and back.

Use your best judgement, of course.  If he looks like the reincarnation of Charles Manson, best to steer clear and monitor the situation!   

To be reasonable (objective?), that was not an emergency call.  And if the guy was on your property, you have the right to tell him to leave.

If he's on the corner (public sidewalk?), then you have to call the cops, and wait ..... and wait. 

I know what I'd do.  I'd walk up close, take video of him for identification, and if he asks what you're doing, just say it's for a documentary (which is true: it's documentation).

Beyond that, if he's not looking in cars, testing door knobs, or opening mailboxes, sleeping isn't breaking the law. 

Maybe he's waiting on a bus, and just fell asleep?     

Depending on the guy's demeanor, I might offer him some food or water, just to check and see that he's not in physical distress (OD, medical problems, injured).  There have been cases of people dying on trains and nobody bothered to check on them as they road from start to end and back.

Use your best judgement, of course.  If he looks like the reincarnation of Charles Manson, best to steer clear and monitor the situation!   

It’s “rode,” not “road.”

It’s “rode,” not “road.”

Yikes!  I hop that acidental speling eror didnt impeed ur ability 2 under stand my entyre post.

 

Yikes!  I hop that acidental speling eror didnt impeed ur ability 2 under stand my entyre post.

 

Oh, so you get to call out minor typos (“python” vs. “pythin”) even if they really don’t matter to the understanding of the post, but if someone else does it to you, time for some snark?

 

I've actually got a good feeling about this AWB. After reflecting on it for a little bit I'd say it's the perfect instrument for mobilizing our side. What gun owner DOESN'T this directly effect?

Maybe there's some break barrel italian shotgun snobs out there who DGAF, but if you wanted something that will wake the sleeping giant you couldn't ask for more. 

How are we law-abiding citizens supposed to protect ourselves against criminals, HPD, and Hawaii's government?

Oh, I know.  I'll wait until HPD leaves a rifle unattended......

How are we law-abiding citizens supposed to protect ourselves against criminals, HPD, and Hawaii's government?

Oh, I know.  I'll wait until HPD leaves a rifle unattended......

We know HPD officers have been convicted of drug dealing and discipline is very lax. My guess is if their paychecks start bouncing some things will go missing from the evidence lockers. Or never make it there in the first place.

Oh, so you get to call out minor typos (“python” vs. “pythin”) even if they really don’t matter to the understanding of the post, but if someone else does it to you, time for some snark?

 

Why are you raining on my parade?  you're picking a fight that's wasn't yours to start with.

Get a life.   

pot, meet kettle...

Why are you raining on my parade?  you're picking a fight that's wasn't yours to start with.

Get a life.   

pot, meet kettle...

Was I talking to you, Mr. Skillet?

if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns

in a country with at least two different sets of rules for law breakers,
why is being an outlaw a bad thing?
 

in a country with at least two different sets of rules for law breakers,
why is being an outlaw a bad thing?
 

It took the entire police department almost a whole day to put down one psycho driving around with a rifle. Property crime is so bad they stopped investigating it altogether. Don't even get me started on the Lahaina fire response.

Honolulu Hale is still acting like they are omnipotent dictators, but it looks to me like they are not only increasingly powerless but almost totally useless. I'm wondering what comes next to fill the void.

Why are you raining on my parade?  you're picking a fight that's wasn't yours to start with.

Get a life.   

Because you’re unnecessarily abrasive (to put it mildly), and it’s really tiresome.

There’s a lot of good information on this forum.  Unfortunately, it very often gets drowned out by ridiculous, snarky ad hominems about minor typos, or how somebody didn’t take a strong enough opinion on an issue, or how somebody presented information that doesn’t conform closely enough to the orthodoxy.

Want to drive away people who might come here looking to learn about their rights and how to defend them? Constant bickering with people who probably agree on 90%+ of important 2A issues, and “show me where I said that,” and “wrong,” and “you’re stupid” seems like a great way to do it.