Aloha supersedes the 2A (Read 4912 times)

hvybarrels

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2024, 10:01:56 AM »
Just out of curiosity what do you NEED from local government?
 ::)

Someone who can bust up monopolies without widespread violence breaking out
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

groveler

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2024, 01:17:03 AM »
Schools
Roads
Infrastructure (water, sewer, electric power, communications)
Law Enforcement (actual enforcement, not what we have here with 50 arrests and still on the street)
Safe medications
National Security including a secure border
A well-trained and equipped military force
.
.
.
Interesting.
I said local government.
Other than roads most everything I have is privately provided
I agree with roads, Realistically other than legal public access
issues,
I can go most anywhere I want.
be it hiking, horse, 4wd, or sailing.
 :thumbsup:
I don't need the local or state government.
Crime is easy. y'all got a gun?
someone hurts you or family, do the eye for an eye.
If you abuse that you get nailed.
 :oops:
Watch the movie "Hang em high":
Federal judge

« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 01:28:38 AM by groveler »

aletheuo137

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2024, 07:18:01 AM »
Just out of curiosity what do you NEED from local government?
 ::)
I told one leader on his way to a leadership conference - grow some kahones and get a back bone. Alot of wishy-washy politicians.

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QUIETShooter

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2024, 08:27:11 AM »
I told one leader on his way to a leadership conference - grow some kahones and get a back bone. Alot of wishy-washy politicians.

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99.9% of the time they are figuring out how to get re-elected.

The other .1% of the time they are using the bathroom.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2024, 08:44:01 AM »
Interesting.
I said local government.
Other than roads most everything I have is privately provided
I agree with roads, Realistically other than legal public access
issues,
I can go most anywhere I want.
be it hiking, horse, 4wd, or sailing.
 :thumbsup:
I don't need the local or state government.
Crime is easy. y'all got a gun?
someone hurts you or family, do the eye for an eye.
If you abuse that you get nailed.
 :oops:
Watch the movie "Hang em high":
Federal judge

Hang 'em High was all about using the law, not vigilante justice, to punish those who commit crimes -- based mostly on morals than statute.

Cooper (Eastwood) had more than one conversation with Judge Fenton (Hingle) about the difference between vigilantism (what was done to Cooper) and being tried and then found guilty and punished.  In order to be fair, the law has to be impartial, unbiased and unemotionally objective. 

The eye for an eye Old Testament recipe for justice might sound enticing until you're the one being wrongly accused -- hanging from a tree branch and left for dead.

That's when due process and an appeals court starts to make sense.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 09:20:18 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2024, 09:16:06 AM »
What do I need from local gov’t? People who Do, not just talk…

QUIETShooter

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2024, 09:35:18 AM »
Right this instant our local government is being trashed, ridiculed, and disrespected all over the nation as 2a groups make fun of the hawaii supreme courts recent ruling.

Way to go hawaii.  We already have crazy mazie now we just gave them something else to make fun of us.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

groveler

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2024, 10:55:21 AM »
Right this instant our local government is being trashed, ridiculed, and disrespected all over the nation as 2a groups make fun of the hawaii supreme courts recent ruling.

Way to go hawaii.  We already have crazy mazie now we just gave them something else to make fun of us.
":No Shit Sherlock"
Hawaii government is a JOKE!
No mater if is monarchy or Democrat( is there a difference?) run.
on a per capita basis Honolulu county has the most expensive, useless rail system in the world
and it won't be used very much.
Honolulu county is a laughingstock for good reason..
My wifes county, Hawaii isn't much better but they are so many
poor the county  can't do stupid as there is no one to pay their bills.
Their best buses for public transportation are Honolulu's worn out buses.
I love Hawaii and it's people, but the government top to bottom
should all be gassed and burned.
Start over with a new set of people.
Then you won't be a joke.
 :wave:

changemyoil66

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2024, 11:07:07 AM »
Right this instant our local government is being trashed, ridiculed, and disrespected all over the nation as 2a groups make fun of the hawaii supreme courts recent ruling.

Way to go hawaii.  We already have crazy mazie now we just gave them something else to make fun of us.
All depends on what side youre on. The dnc controls everything, so this isnt a big issue to those in control.

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irishd

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2024, 05:28:43 PM »
So wait..... Now when Hawaii doesn't like someone's speach or religious beliefs because they (Hawaii Supreme Court Judges) feel that it violates the "Aloha Spirit", now those rights can be stripped away?  And what about if they feel the police can just come to your home, enter and search without warrant, I guess that's OK as well?  Folks, we are far beyond a slippery slope right now..... we're at the edge of a cliff!

More than ever citizens need the ability to be able to protect themselves from random shootings, stabbings, acid attacks, and it's not getting better. The level of street violence has gotten completely out of hand.

ren

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2024, 07:55:57 PM »
So wait..... Now when Hawaii doesn't like someone's speach or religious beliefs because they (Hawaii Supreme Court Judges) feel that it violates the "Aloha Spirit", now those rights can be stripped away?  And what about if they feel the police can just come to your home, enter and search without warrant, I guess that's OK as well?  Folks, we are far beyond a slippery slope right now..... we're at the edge of a cliff!

More than ever citizens need the ability to be able to protect themselves from random shootings, stabbings, acid attacks, and it's not getting better. The level of street violence has gotten completely out of hand.

Aloha!
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/02/13/messy-dispute-escalates-fist-fight-kauai-bound-flight-oakland/
Deeds Not Words

RSN172

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2024, 03:56:06 AM »
Obviously the HISC justices never read the HI State constitution, which mirrors the US Constitution on 2A.

Happily living in Puna

QUIETShooter

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2024, 08:42:56 AM »
Obviously the HISC justices never read the HI State constitution, which mirrors the US Constitution on 2A.

I forget which mainland Vlogger was making fun of Hawaii's Supreme Court by specifically pointing this out.  It's in black and white on the Hawaii State Constitution.  Verbatim.

But....Aloha Spirit.   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2024, 09:03:24 AM »
This is a very dangerous precedent this judge is setting. The AG will use this logic in their arguments for their pending lawsuits.  They're still using "public safety".

RSN172

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2024, 10:33:55 AM »

But....Aloha Spirit.   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Cause ova hea we go up and up lidat.
Happily living in Puna

QUIETShooter

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2024, 11:20:25 AM »
This is a very dangerous precedent this judge is setting. The AG will use this logic in their arguments for their pending lawsuits.  They're still using "public safety".

In my opinion it is very flawed logic.  Law abiding citizens follow the law.  If there are laws in place (which I believe there is) that states how these weapons will be secured from illegal or untrained hands (like children) then where is the concern for "public safety"?

Banning the right to choose what type of legal firearm and thereby restricting my right to self defense and that of my loved ones with the weapon I'm comfortable with is discriminatory and unconstitutional.

Not being able to be our own first responders put the public in danger.  But our AG and our government leaders don't see it that way.

That's because they use public safety as an excuse.  This issue was NEVER about public safety.

AG and government leaders are full of shiite.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2024, 11:29:47 AM »
Cause ova hea we go up and up lidat.

Looks like we going have to start training to dodge bullets from criminals with assault weapons like Bruce Lee.

WATTAAA!!  (Bruce's favorite drink)

WHOPPPAAAA!!!  (Bruce's favorite burger)

AIEEYAAA!!  (Bruce's final yell after he realizes the training doesn't work in real life.  Only movies)
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

ren

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2024, 03:02:43 PM »
just give em a Shaka! you madafakaz

https://www.kitv.com/news/local/public-testifiers-are-encouraged-to-help-the-shaka-law-progress-to-a-floor-vote/article_45150d44-cac1-11ee-a196-d3e3e87dce2c.html

A bill to officially designate the shaka as Hawaii’s state gesture, passes its first hearing and must pass its upcoming second committee hearing in order to progress to a floor vote before the full state Senate.

The Shaka Law must pass its second committee hearing on Thursday, February 15, in order for it to move forward. Its counterpart in the state House, House Bill 2736, passed the House Committee on Culture, Arts, and International Affairs (CAI) on February 7. In the House, it will next go before the House Committee on Judiciary and Hawaiian Affairs.
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Aloha supersedes the 2A
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2024, 05:18:29 PM »
just give em a Shaka! you madafakaz

https://www.kitv.com/news/local/public-testifiers-are-encouraged-to-help-the-shaka-law-progress-to-a-floor-vote/article_45150d44-cac1-11ee-a196-d3e3e87dce2c.html

A bill to officially designate the shaka as Hawaii’s state gesture, passes its first hearing and must pass its upcoming second committee hearing in order to progress to a floor vote before the full state Senate.

The Shaka Law must pass its second committee hearing on Thursday, February 15, in order for it to move forward. Its counterpart in the state House, House Bill 2736, passed the House Committee on Culture, Arts, and International Affairs (CAI) on February 7. In the House, it will next go before the House Committee on Judiciary and Hawaiian Affairs.


Do other states have an "Official State Gesture?"

I can imagine what New York's would be.    :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw