FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM (Read 26241 times)

Sodie

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2024, 08:09:50 PM »
Testimony submitted, and emailed my senator.  I’ll try to give her a call before Wednesday.

Gotta say, this one’s got me a little worried…

eyeeatingfish

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2024, 10:49:19 PM »
Another thing to do is get gun stores to oppose the legislation and have their customers do the same.

I tell gun stores to do it, and very few do.  It helps when a lot of customers demand it.

I wonder if there is a fear of reprisals?  Like maybe they will get audited or something..

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2024, 09:21:30 AM »
I wonder if there is a fear of reprisals?  Like maybe they will get audited or something..

Are you saying that HPD would punish gun stores for exercising not only their 2A right, but their 1A right? (Rhetorical).

But in all seriousness, yes.  There was 1 gun store who mentioned this and despite the advice from his lawyer, spoke about it once.  Then there's another popular gun store that has HPD contracts.  So no bite the hand that feeds you.  But even they posted about this bill. Which I haven't seen them post about any bill in the prior years.

But the time has come for gun stores to start helping the cause more.

zippz

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2024, 09:27:51 AM »
Couple details I noticed about this bill

Assault pistols under the new definition would be a complete ban.  Currently owned pistols like the desert eagle (too heavy) would need to be discarded or confiscated.  Threaded barrels need to be replaced.

Rifles meeting the AW definition cannot be used on public hunting lands.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2024, 12:01:02 PM by zippz »

QUIETShooter

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2024, 11:34:14 AM »
So what going happen to all these firearms if the legislation passes?
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2024, 11:48:52 AM »
So what going happen to all these firearms if the legislation passes?
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Anyone who didn't submit test will give them to those who did.

But on a serious note

=there is a grandfather clause, but this can be deleted in future legislature

=If your gun breaks, you're SOL as you cannot replace any buttstocks, pistol grips, handguards, foregrips, flash hiders, etc...These parts too are grandfathered in, but you cannot buy them online or at a store. Nor can anyone give them to you.

=There is no magazine grandfather clause

=You cannot lend your rifle to anyone as you must maintain possession as the registered owner

=If you're caught with a rifle mag greater than 10rds, because its a firearm misdemeanor, you now lose your 2A right for 20 years.

=All Hawaii compliant "assault pistols" will be illegal as there is no grandfather clause for this.

=Any pistol with a threaded barrel

AmbuBadger

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2024, 12:56:35 PM »
Submitted mine today, another FF from my station sent his in as well. I explained that I work 24 hr shifts and cannot rely on HPD to be our private security, also cited the justice system not seeming interested in keeping bad people locked up. If this goes through, I expect them to target airsoft, airguns, and 3d printers next.

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2024, 01:01:48 PM »
Submitted mine today, another FF from my station sent his in as well. I explained that I work 24 hr shifts and cannot rely on HPD to be our private security, also cited the justice system not seeming interested in keeping bad people locked up. If this goes through, I expect them to target airsoft, airguns, and 3d printers next.

Coconut wireless is the best way to spread the word.

oldfart

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2024, 01:04:00 PM »
Submitted mine today, another FF from my station sent his in as well. I explained that I work 24 hr shifts and cannot rely on HPD to be our private security, also cited the justice system not seeming interested in keeping bad people locked up. If this goes through, I expect them to target airsoft, airguns, and 3d printers next.
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Thanks ambu, it was good seeing you again.
I hope you can submit testimony on SB2845 too. This bill is targeting the next generation.
If we lose the next gen, we will lose the 2A.
What, Me Worry?

zippz

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2024, 01:12:19 PM »
I wonder if there is a fear of reprisals?  Like maybe they will get audited or something..

Another issue is gun stores make honest mistakes on forms and registrations and deadlines.  HPD lets it slide.  If HPD went by the book with the gun stores, they would all be out of business.

It's like gun registrations.  There's a lot of people that register guns late.  Imagine if they threw all of them in jail by the book.

QUIETShooter

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2024, 01:33:53 PM »
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Anyone who didn't submit test will give them to those who did.

But on a serious note

=there is a grandfather clause, but this can be deleted in future legislature
Oh.  ok.  Thought "they" was gonna round all the firearms up

=If your gun breaks, you're SOL as you cannot replace any buttstocks, pistol grips, handguards, foregrips, flash hiders, etc...These parts too are grandfathered in, but you cannot buy them online or at a store. Nor can anyone give them to you.

=There is no magazine grandfather clause
So are we supposed to turn them in? LOL to that.....


=You cannot lend your rifle to anyone as you must maintain possession as the registered owner

=If you're caught with a rifle mag greater than 10rds, because its a firearm misdemeanor, you now lose your 2A right for 20 years.

=All Hawaii compliant "assault pistols" will be illegal as there is no grandfather clause for this.

=Any pistol with a threaded barrel
wonder if this will be grandfathered.

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

AmbuBadger

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2024, 01:53:40 PM »
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Thanks ambu, it was good seeing you again.
I hope you can submit testimony on SB2845 too. This bill is targeting the next generation.
If we lose the next gen, we will lose the 2A.

Thanks for bringing that one to my attention, will submit testimony there too.

n2kilo

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2024, 02:21:40 PM »
Thank you to the warriors at HIFCO for keeping an eye on this. These tactics of last minute hearings and bills are so scummy. They don’t want the public involved. Only the activists.

Lucky we have some who support and defend the constitution - the US one.


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stangzilla

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2024, 02:59:36 PM »
submitted testimony for all the bills on 2/14

g00seg00se

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2024, 05:44:08 PM »
So G17s, or Glocks in general, going to be prohibited because of the G18?

From the the bill:
Assault pistol means [a]
(1) A semiautomatic pistol that accepts a detachable
magazine and has one or more of the following
characteristics:

(F) It is a semiautomatic version of an automatic
firearm;

Definitions per HRS 134-1:
"Pistol" or "revolver" means any firearm of any shape with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length and capable of discharging loaded ammunition or any noxious gas.

fishandshoot

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2024, 08:14:23 PM »
Submitted testimony and respectfully called the offices of relevant legislators:

Glenn Wakai: 808-586-8585
Brandon Elefante: 808-586-6230
Carol Fukunaga: 808-586-6460
Karl Rhoads: 808-586-6130
Brenton Awa: 808-586-6230

eyeeatingfish

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2024, 09:20:58 PM »
Are you saying that HPD would punish gun stores for exercising not only their 2A right, but their 1A right? (Rhetorical).

But in all seriousness, yes.  There was 1 gun store who mentioned this and despite the advice from his lawyer, spoke about it once.  Then there's another popular gun store that has HPD contracts.  So no bite the hand that feeds you.  But even they posted about this bill. Which I haven't seen them post about any bill in the prior years.

But the time has come for gun stores to start helping the cause more.

HPD doesn't usually audit businesses. I was getting at the department of taxation.

eyeeatingfish

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2024, 09:24:28 PM »
So G17s, or Glocks in general, going to be prohibited because of the G18?

From the the bill:
Assault pistol means [a]
(1) A semiautomatic pistol that accepts a detachable
magazine and has one or more of the following
characteristics:

(F) It is a semiautomatic version of an automatic
firearm;

Definitions per HRS 134-1:
"Pistol" or "revolver" means any firearm of any shape with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length and capable of discharging loaded ammunition or any noxious gas.

I don't think that would apply but I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to interpret it that way.

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2024, 07:49:49 AM »
HPD doesn't usually audit businesses. I was getting at the department of taxation.

Or AFT.

zippz

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2024, 09:40:44 AM »
=Any pistol with a threaded barrel
wonder if this will be grandfathered

Threaded barrels would just have to be replaced or permanently modified. Like soldering over the threads.