I imagine that the sponsors of SB3196 aren't going to be swayed by any testimony we give. But what testimony can we deliver that might actually sway somebody sitting on the fence regarding the issue?

What are the most irrational parts of the bill that we could highlight and use as talking points? For example...

1) Guns most-used in crimes are concealable pistols... SB3196 would ban pistols for being too heavy or too long, or having a threaded barrel or magazine outside of the pistol grip, all of which are features that make pistols less concealable. This includes unassuming or specialized practice or competitive target pistols like the Smith & Wesson Victory (too heavy) or the Walther SSP (magazine outside of the grip).

2) SB3196 would ban all 50 caliber centerfire rifles... Which are rarely used in crimes but have valid hunting purposes. Calibers over .50 are already restricted by Federal law (NFA), but this bill would set Hawaii's limit to .499999. Banned rifles would include 1800's "buffalo" rifles and more-modern, specialized lever action or single shot rifles chambered in calibers like 50-70 Government, 50 Alaskan and 500 S&W... These calibers are less powerful than other commonly-used hunting rounds like the 300 win mag.

3) Semiauto shotguns are commonly used to shoot clay pigeons, and they absorb some recoil, making them commonly favored by less robust shooters, like women or the elderly. They advertise their magazine capacities assuming a nominal shell length of 2 3/4", but this bill assumes no such length. Many more shotguns would be banned than apparently intended, due to the ability to fit 6 2" long shells into a "5 round" magazine.

The head chair of JDC (the next committee), things that its easy to shoot someone from a mile away with a 50 cal, which is why he wants them banned.

What you can do is write how this affects you personally.  Like if you go hunting out of state, have a disability/weakness that you need certain parts, you want to teach your child/spouse/household member how to use the "assault rifles", if you own an "assault pistol" or mags and how there's no monetary compensation,etc...

The die hard anti 2a like Comrade Karl and Elefante will vote to support this bill no matter what.  Buenaventure may have reservations and we need to get Gabbard to be a consistent no vote.  The only "automatic no" vote is Awa, because he told me this.  He didn't even have to hear my reasons why, he already understood this violates the 2a, and so do all the other anti 2a bills he votes no on.

I can see travel being a great talking point.

4) If somebody wanted to travel to another state or country to hunt or compete with something banned under this bill, they wouldn't be allowed to return home with it. Hunting, long range shooting, competitive pistol or rifle with semiautos, any sort of clay shooting with semiauto shotguns...

Best testimony would probably be from somebody who had some sort of competitive success to brag about. But going goose hunting with your VersaMax every year, or taking your Mini14 coyote hunting with your brother in Oklahoma, seems like a fine thing to talk about.

Also, does anybody know anybody who actually hunts in Hawaii with a 50 caliber rifle? At the end of the last testimony Rhoads said that nobody ever did. When people hear "50 caliber" they think "50 BMG" and not any of the other 50's... So I thought, well somebody ought to call 808-586-6130 and tell him he's wrong. If anybody could take an old Springfield and go pose next to a dead deer; I'll include the picture in my testimony.

The legislators aren't gun people, so you need time to explain things especially detailed or technical things. Best to start the conversation with them prior to the hearing to be the most effective.

50 Beowulf would be effective on deer in a AR-15.

One of the main points missed or shied away from us rifles for use in the militia. The 2nd Amendment includes militia use and we are the militia and AR15s are what a militia would use. It's still tradition

The legislators aren't gun people, so you need time to explain things especially detailed or technical things. Best to start the conversation with them prior to the hearing to be the most effective.

50 Beowulf would be effective on deer in a AR-15.

One of the main points missed or shied away from us rifles for use in the militia. The 2nd Amendment includes militia use and we are the militia and AR15s are what a militia would use. It's still tradition

Also, said Beowulf or 458 SOCOM mags only hold 10rds.

The problem with mentioning 50 Beowulf is that, as far as I can tell, it is only used in AR-style rifles that this bill would ban anyways. It'd be a great example against the asininity of a blanket "50 caliber" ban, but it feels like I'm digging a hole to argue that the cartridge shouldn't be banned when its rifle is also being banned... The bill stumbles into something approaching internal consistency in that regard.

Eh, I'm overthinking it and debating with myself in ways that don't matter.



When the ranchers or helicopter guys kill deer by the droves, anybody know what they're using?

banning pistols with only one feature, you would be eliminating firearms which are used by Olympic athletes, such as the Benelli MP 95E and Hammerli 280, as they have magazines outside of the grip.

Threaded barrels are used for items such as compensators to help in the control of the firearm. Compensators, which thread onto the muzzle of a barrel, do not alter the sound, but control the muzzle blast and directing energy (muzzle flip) to keep the firearm on the target, thus making it actually safer to use.

Semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm is a catch all which would essentially ban all Glock type pistols, as the G18 is an automatic version of the Glock 17; and the Beretta Model 92 has the Selene Special as an automatic version.

banning pistols with only one feature, you would be eliminating firearms which are used by Olympic athletes, such as the Benelli MP 95E and Hammerli 280, as they have magazines outside of the grip.

Threaded barrels are used for items such as compensators to help in the control of the firearm. Compensators, which thread onto the muzzle of a barrel, do not alter the sound, but control the muzzle blast and directing energy (muzzle flip) to keep the firearm on the target, thus making it actually safer to use.

Semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm is a catch all which would essentially ban all Glock type pistols, as the G18 is an automatic version of the Glock 17; and the Beretta Model 92 has the Selene Special as an automatic version.

A coach brought this up about Olympians. Wakai, Rhodes and Elefante don't care.

Forgot to add, this is why instead of just saying "oppose" or "unconstitutional", it's important to give your personal XP if there is any.  This coach also mentioned college scholarships and how he has 2 girls this year getting them.

A coach brought this up about Olympians. Wakai, Rhodes and Elefante don't care.

All these pricks care about is themselves and getting reelected.

Where is Don Corleone when we need him to make an offer that can’t be refused.

Wakai, Rhodes, and Elefante belong to the political class that Thomas Sowell refers to as The Anointed. Here's a Cliff's Notes version:

https://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?id=484

You can't argue with them because they think they are advanced morally superior beings, and the one and only solution they have for everything is MOAR GUBBMINT. Yet if we don't figure out how to stop them they will follow Marxism all the way to its logical conclusion of starvation and mass murder.

How to stop them?

Unfortunately Sowell didn't go into that part beyond mentioning that they are sensitive to criticism. That actually makes a lot of sense because they are utopians, and what outlook could possibly be more fragile than the one that's not supposed to have any flaws? Interestingly enough there was a Civil Beat article last week about some bill that Rhodes was having trouble getting passed and then proclaimed "everyone hates it" like pouting child before calling it quits. Also have you noticed how he avoids us in the hallways, hides behind his face diaper, and averts his eyes during hearings? He's actually terrified of us, but when we try show respect and play on his level then he dominates us like a schoolyard bully. I think part of what damaged our cause most (besides the NRA scammers) was going along with this charade where we go in and beg for our rights, they chip off a little piece, and then we breathe a sigh of relief that it was only a relatively minor concession. After decades those concessions built up like compound interest to absurd levels that our ancestors would never have accepted. What they now call closing a "loophole" is actually the snare tightening around our necks, and by the time most of us start to think about pushing back more aggressively the whole thing will already be over.

I'm encouraged by the writings of Matthias Desmet who's been making the rounds with his Mass Formation theory. His remedy is simple. Stop playing the game and call out exactly what's going on. When you are brave and speak your truth it snaps others out of their trance, lets them know they are not alone, and encourages them to speak up as well. Soon a strong collective voice will rise up and a little brown stain will begin to form in Rhodes' man panties.

As far as testimony I follow the advice of Boris Epshteyn. "Color within the lines, but color boldly."