here is a link to senate floor session live stream, starts at 9am

I'm still considering how spicy to get. Ideally it would be enough to raise an eyebrow or two but not enough to get on another watch list.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY



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Imagine, if you will, a scenario in which the people in power don't care what people think because they know they won't get spicy or do anything to stop them.

Too bad it's not a jailable offence to violate the Constitution as a law maker, law enforcer, etc...

here is a link to senate floor session live stream, starts at 9am

It's at the end of the agenda, going to be a long time

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2024/orderoftheday/SOD_03-05-24_.htm

It's at the end of the agenda, going to be a long time

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/sessions/session2024/orderoftheday/SOD_03-05-24_.htm

no kidding, 40 minutes in and they didnt even start yet?

sent my emails the other day

Imagine, if you will, a scenario in which the people in power don't care what people think because they know they won't get spicy or do anything to stop them.

Ultimately it takes all types and it's great to present a diverse cross-section of points of view, so if anybody is naturally spicy and is devoting their time and energy to defending our rights, then more power to them. I won't judge.


But as debate class teaches, when we're talking to people like Karl Rhoads, it's as unlikely we'll persuade them as it is they'll persuade us. So the goal is to persuade anybody else who may be watching the exchange, who hasn't yet come to their own conclusions. In practice, there might only be one person in a room that hasn't fully formed their opinions yet, and it is for that person that we argue.


So the way I see it, if I'm alone with people who have already been bought and paid for by Bloomberg, then it wouldn't matter if I was extra spicy, because nothing would likely matter anyways. But if I was being televised or there were undecideds in the room... I would dread for the fence-sitters to find me crazy or threatening, especially when the rhetoric from the other side constantly tries to portray non-LEO gun owners as dangerous.

Ultimately it takes all types and it's great to present a diverse cross-section of points of view, so if anybody is naturally spicy and is devoting their time and energy to defending our rights, then more power to them. I won't judge.


But as debate class teaches, when we're talking to people like Karl Rhoads, it's as unlikely we'll persuade them as it is they'll persuade us. So the goal is to persuade anybody else who may be watching the exchange, who hasn't yet come to their own conclusions. In practice, there might only be one person in a room that hasn't fully formed their opinions yet, and it is for that person that we argue.


So the way I see it, if I'm alone with people who have already been bought and paid for by Bloomberg, then it wouldn't matter if I was extra spicy, because nothing would likely matter anyways. But if I was being televised or there were undecideds in the room... I would dread for the fence-sitters to find me crazy or threatening, especially when the rhetoric from the other side constantly tries to portray non-LEO gun owners as dangerous.

Tell us how you feel about getting spicy, now that the bill has passed.

passed with amendments

we have to wait and see what the amendments are. but it goes to the house next and gets assigned to committees...

Tell us how you feel about getting spicy, now that the bill has passed.

Especially HOW the Bill was passed.

Underhanded madahfackahs.

Ultimately it takes all types and it's great to present a diverse cross-section of points of view, so if anybody is naturally spicy and is devoting their time and energy to defending our rights, then more power to them. I won't judge.


But as debate class teaches, when we're talking to people like Karl Rhoads, it's as unlikely we'll persuade them as it is they'll persuade us. So the goal is to persuade anybody else who may be watching the exchange, who hasn't yet come to their own conclusions. In practice, there might only be one person in a room that hasn't fully formed their opinions yet, and it is for that person that we argue.


So the way I see it, if I'm alone with people who have already been bought and paid for by Bloomberg, then it wouldn't matter if I was extra spicy, because nothing would likely matter anyways. But if I was being televised or there were undecideds in the room... I would dread for the fence-sitters to find me crazy or threatening, especially when the rhetoric from the other side constantly tries to portray non-LEO gun owners as dangerous.

Like I said in my prior post, it depends on who you're talking too.  Unfortunately, those who are vocal and against the 2a have their minds made up.  No amount of logic/facts will change their mind as they rely on lies and feelings. 

But, what I have seen change a few peoples mind is if they're a victim of a crime or know someone.  That realtor on North Shore who was tied up and mutilated so bad that her husband couldn't recognize her, 1 guy who would always post anti 2a stuff on SSH changed his mind.  He bought an AR after this.   The same AR that he called a "weapon of war/assault rifle" that no one needs. He got a rifle over a handgun because he didn't have the time to take a handgun class, which he also posted about being necessary for all guns for years on SSH.

Then there's HI House rep who was anti 2a and during a stand your ground hearing, he had a hard time trying not to piss off Moms Demand Action who was against this bill and so was The Veteran.  This is the same hearing that The Veteran claimed a Kinosha,WI will happen if we pass a stand your ground law, cause you know open carrying a AR15 is legal in HI.  This rep even had to mention that he supports MDA/ET.  What made him change his mind was that he was a victim twice of potential violence.  And 1 was at a playground with his child.  The other was in Chinatown and the crazy guy even followed him and his wife into the police station and no cops were around inside the station front area.

Normal debates are fine in a debate class or tournament.  But in real life, facts don't matter as feelings are greater.  Look at every fool who decides to challenge Charlie Kirk, Candace Owens, etc...

passed with amendments

we have to wait and see what the amendments are. but it goes to the house next and gets assigned to committees...

Everyone keep in mind that the House committee can also aways add things back.

SB3196 passed with 8 nos 17 a yes and bunch of reservations.  San Buenaventura gave a good speech how she always votes for gun control but this hurts a lot of regular people and why do we need it when Hawaii has low gun deaths per what the bill says.  My Senator Elefante voted with reservations which surprised me as he seems very anti.

SB2845 passed with just 3 noes.

SB3196 passed with 8 nos 17 a yes and bunch of reservations.  San Buenaventura gave a good speech how she always votes for gun control but this hurts a lot of regular people and why do we need it when Hawaii has low gun deaths per what the bill says.  My Senator Elefante voted with reservations which surprised me as he seems very anti.

SB2845 passed with just 3 noes.

Favella was a no vote, despite his sign on his door.

Awa a no vote we can rely on.

Piertrick also a solid no vote and he's also vocal about the 2a.

Recap

Buenaventura still voted aye with reservations (this is a yes and not a no vote), but she said no need make law abiding people criminals, which is what this bill would be. She was concerned if someone inherits the "assault rifles".

Mercado-Kim who usually votes in support of anti 2A bills voted no.

Richards is from Big Island and voted no as well.  Maybe the hunters reached out.  So thats 1 Big Island Senator who voted no and 1 more who voted with reservations (Buenavenutra).

In the prior years Taser bill, the big island senator also voted no because her people reached out to her and told her to vote no.  THey would have made tasers illegal to carry on buses and other locations.  She didn't run the next election year.

Report Adopted; Passed Third Reading, as amended (SD 1). Ayes, 17; Aye(s) with reservations: Senator(s) Aquino, Dela Cruz, Elefante, Hashimoto, Kanuha, Moriwaki, San Buenaventura. Noes, 8 (Senator(s) Awa, DeCoite, Fevella, Gabbard, Inouye, Kim, McKelvey, Richards). Excused, 0 (none). Transmitted to House.

Even Elefante must’ve recognized that  what his poppa rhoads did to get the bill passed the committee was a scumbag move


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Tell us how you feel about getting spicy, now that the bill has passed.

Do you think the outcome would’ve been different if we called them traitorous pieces of shit?

Do you think the outcome would’ve been different if we called them traitorous pieces of shit?

I would feel better because this was going to pass the senate with a very high probability.   Sometimes letting people vent helps them.

Can't say bad thing so.. May good things happen to them.

Even Elefante must’ve recognized that  what his poppa rhoads did to get the bill passed the committee was a scumbag move


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But didn't have the courage to vote no.  Career comes first before doing the right thing.  He shouldn't feel bad though.  He's not alone.