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I'd be disappointed if any of those 500 2A supporters voted for him in the past.

If they did, we need to fix a lot more than just my statement!

 

I'd be disappointed if any of those 500 2A supporters voted for him in the past.

If they did, we need to fix a lot more than just my statement!

 

This is an interesting topic.  I know 2A guys who voted for Ige, Green, Caldwell, and Rick.  I never asked them their stance on other issues, so maybe despite all being anti 2a, they aren't a single issue voter.  And almost all the HI people I know who moved to Vegas voted blue again. Now for this, IDK what the GOP candidate was like, but I'm going to assume they brought their  HI problems with them to NV. People in Vegas often hate CA people, but HI is no different.

Back to 2A,  IMO if a politician is willing to violate the 2A, what other rights will they violate?  We saw Ige violate peoples other rights and Rick too during covid.

I'm a single issue voter. If they're not pro 2a, then they won't get my vote. And if all are anti 2A, then it's a shit sandwitch and i'll pick the lesser of the evils.

Also the party usually dictates this, but not all the time. Which is why one has to do their own research. A few years ago an anti 2a ran as GOP and won, but people there voted based on party.  Somewhere in NV, I forgot what county. The candidate admitted to tricking the voters when he ran as GOP.

Here's a recent example: Rep Kila is DNC, but he presented a stand your ground bill this year.  Last year, he voted against the sensitive places bills.  I asked him why and he said because my people wanted his vote to go that way.  He said he listens to what his people want him to do and dont' automatically vote down party lines.

Kevin McDonald who ran as DNC against Comrade Karl is pro 2A. He showed up to the floor vote with HIFICO, the one where Chief Ballard and 11 other HPD brass showed up to, to get the mag ban passed.  He also was arrested while exercising his 1A right during covid.

This is an interesting topic.  I know 2A guys who voted for Ige, Green, Caldwell, and Rick.  I never asked them their stance on other issues, so maybe despite all being anti 2a, they aren't a single issue voter.  And almost all the HI people I know who moved to Vegas voted blue again. Now for this, IDK what the GOP candidate was like, but I'm going to assume they brought their  HI problems with them to NV. People in Vegas often hate CA people, but HI is no different.

Back to 2A,  IMO if a politician is willing to violate the 2A, what other rights will they violate?  We saw Ige violate peoples other rights and Rick too during covid.

I'm a single issue voter. If they're not pro 2a, then they won't get my vote. And if all are anti 2A, then it's a shit sandwitch and i'll pick the lesser of the evils.

Also the party usually dictates this, but not all the time. Which is why one has to do their own research. A few years ago an anti 2a ran as GOP and won, but people there voted based on party.  Somewhere in NV, I forgot what county. The candidate admitted to tricking the voters when he ran as GOP.

Here's a recent example: Rep Kila is DNC, but he presented a stand your ground bill this year.  Last year, he voted against the sensitive places bills.  I asked him why and he said because my people wanted his vote to go that way.  He said he listens to what his people want him to do and dont' automatically vote down party lines.

Kevin McDonald who ran as DNC against Comrade Karl is pro 2A. He showed up to the floor vote with HIFICO, the one where Chief Ballard and 11 other HPD brass showed up to, to get the mag ban passed.  He also was arrested while exercising his 1A right during covid.

Most Hawai'i and national politicians don't even know what kind of governmental system we have. The ones that do and still violate our rights are the ones who are hoping we don't know our system of government or how it's supposed to be.

Most Hawai'i and national politicians don't even know what kind of governmental system we have. The ones that do and still violate our rights are the ones who are hoping we don't know our system of government or how it's supposed to be.

We even tell them during hearings you've violating, but they don't care. But even people who claim their pro 2a do the same. Like one guy here thinks red flag laws can be constitutional, but fails to post any that are.  He also thinks Bruen's history/tradition includes old English laws (non-USA laws).

Too bad politicians don't go to jail for violating peoples rights after they were informed of it.  So no can say "i nevah know".

there was a credible opponent last cycle, and he lost bigly...

Voter apathy.

This is an interesting topic.  I know 2A guys who voted for Ige, Green, Caldwell, and Rick.  I never asked them their stance on other issues, so maybe despite all being anti 2a, they aren't a single issue voter.  And almost all the HI people I know who moved to Vegas voted blue again. Now for this, IDK what the GOP candidate was like, but I'm going to assume they brought their  HI problems with them to NV. People in Vegas often hate CA people, but HI is no different.

Back to 2A,  IMO if a politician is willing to violate the 2A, what other rights will they violate?  We saw Ige violate peoples other rights and Rick too during covid.

I'm a single issue voter. If they're not pro 2a, then they won't get my vote. And if all are anti 2A, then it's a shit sandwitch and i'll pick the lesser of the evils.

Also the party usually dictates this, but not all the time. Which is why one has to do their own research. A few years ago an anti 2a ran as GOP and won, but people there voted based on party.  Somewhere in NV, I forgot what county. The candidate admitted to tricking the voters when he ran as GOP.

Here's a recent example: Rep Kila is DNC, but he presented a stand your ground bill this year.  Last year, he voted against the sensitive places bills.  I asked him why and he said because my people wanted his vote to go that way.  He said he listens to what his people want him to do and dont' automatically vote down party lines.

Kevin McDonald who ran as DNC against Comrade Karl is pro 2A. He showed up to the floor vote with HIFICO, the one where Chief Ballard and 11 other HPD brass showed up to, to get the mag ban passed.  He also was arrested while exercising his 1A right during covid.

Speaking of Kila... I got  a response from him for my email today asking to oppose SB3196

"Aloha ______,

Thank you for your email. I will more than likely vote, NO on the measure, here, in the house chamber.

Thank you for your email.

Mahalo,


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Representative Darius K. Kila
House District 44 

Honokai Hale, Nānākuli, Māʻili

Hawaiʻi State House of Representatives - Majority

p: (808) 586-9480

e: repkila@capitol.hawaii.gov

a:  415 S. Beretania St. Room #322

Honolulu HI, 96813"

Voter apathy.

The ugly truth is that you need money to compete in politics and Kevin ran on a shoestring and wasn’t able to effectively get out his message. We really need a liberty PAC

The ugly truth is that you need money to compete in politics and Kevin ran on a shoestring and wasn’t able to effectively get out his message. We really need a liberty PAC

I don' think he did. I didn't see 1 "vote for Marx" sign in Chinatown, Downtown or Nuuanu. So, Marx didn't have any of this type of marketing.  Unless he spend his donations on other forms of marketing.

I don' think he did. I didn't see 1 "vote for Marx" sign in Chinatown, Downtown or Nuuanu. So, Marx didn't have any of this type of marketing.  Unless he spend his donations on other forms of marketing.

Marx has lots of power and connections due to his seniority so he doesn't have to work as hard as an upstart. Lots of businesses owe him favors vs Kevin who is untested and unknown.

There's got to be a popular uprising from the kind of people who don't usually vote in order to overthrow the status quo, Unless there's a compelling message campaign they will just continue to throw away their ballots.

I'm still lost.

If you have, for argument's sake, 500 2A supporters, and those people are already not going to vote for Rhodes, those numbers are already 'cooked' into his polling numbers.

if those same 500 voters and call Rhodes and tell him, "I'm not voting for you next election, because you don't support a cease fire in Gaza," the poll numbers don't change.  He's still getting the same votes as before, and he's still losing the same 500 votes from 2A supporters -- only now the 500 have an alternate reason not to support him.

Unless we can convince others outside the 2A community to support one of his opponents who has a good shot at defeating him, I don't see where we'd be doing anything other than piling onto our list of reason we still won't vote for Rhodes.  The opponent would have to support 2A, of course, and that's not going to be an easy order to fill.

What am i missing?

I think the point Beinvolved is getting at is that we should try to generate opposition to Rhoads among folks OUTSIDE the 2A community, by publicizing his views on issues they might care about… like a Gaza ceasefire.

I think the point Beinvolved is getting at is that we should try to generate opposition to Rhoads among folks OUTSIDE the 2A community, by publicizing his views on issues they might care about… like a Gaza ceasefire.

And we, as a group, do that how?

Marx has lots of power and connections due to his seniority so he doesn't have to work as hard as an upstart. Lots of businesses owe him favors vs Kevin who is untested and unknown.

There's got to be a popular uprising from the kind of people who don't usually vote in order to overthrow the status quo, Unless there's a compelling message campaign they will just continue to throw away their ballots.

That's the fact.  The incumbent always has the advantage unless they got caught redhanded doing something highly illegal.  And even that would be a coin toss with the way the media covers up those stories.

Incumbents have a war chest of donations, sometimes even left over from their last election.  They have the political connections, the committee seats and the track record of toeing the party line to give them a major head start on any challengers.

There's also the quid pro quo factor.  If he made the unions happy, they in turn owe him the votes they promised at that time.  Same for any voting block that benefitted from his willingness to buy votes with tax payer funds.

Have you visited the nation's largest fossil museum in DC yet?

No, not the Smithsonian ....  Congress!  The only thing more permanent than a Democrat in public office are the spending programs they managed to get approved.

And we, as a group, do that how?

Is that question for me, Beinvolved, or the group in general?

To vote Marx out, we need to build alliances with other non-2a groups who would like to see him removed.  So our votes plus their votes need to add up to beat Marx because 2A alone does not seem to be a strong enough reason to get him voted out.

What other groups?  I dont know.  Scratching my head in the dark.

Churches?  Clubs?  Etc.  “Groups” in his district.  Maybe we should ask ChatGPT?

His district are full of morons. Few years ago, he wanted to decriminalize 3oz or less of schedule 1 narcotics like meth, heroin, ba-2, etc....

Yet he gets reelected. I mean, chinatown doesnt have a drug problem right?

This is why i dont feel bad for the residents or business there. F-em.

I see shit on the side walk once a week in various places in downtown.

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campaigning outside of Komrade Karls district isn't productive.  Votes have to be cultivated, harvested, in his district.  so if that's Chinatown, perhaps a tough-on-crime, shut down the catch-&-release, tough love on drugs, go after the criminals, not harass the law-abiding, improve city sanitation (clean up the rubbish), more police walking patrols in that district.  Are homeless a problem, then get them off the sidewalks and into the shelters.  tough love.  Maybe that's the platform.

wasn't he all for California-style bail reform a year-or-two ago?  which thank-God failed. 

but gotta be focused in his district.

Is that question for me, Beinvolved, or the group in general?

I've never seen you balk at answering any question no matter to whom it was directed.

His district are full of morons. Few years ago, he wanted to decriminalize 3oz or less of schedule 1 narcotics like meth, heroin, ba-2, etc....

Yet he gets reelected. I mean, chinatown doesnt have a drug problem right?

This is why i dont feel bad for the residents or business there. F-em.

I see shit on the side walk once a week in various places in downtown.

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Most people don't vote. With mail in ballots it makes it easier to track who votes and figure out who's not likely to notice if someone illegally votes in their place. If everyone started voting it would make things much more difficult to steal an election.

If a PAC successfully unseated the head of the JDC then the rest of them would be cowering in fear.

getting back on track...

sound familiar?

"Gun Owners of America (GOA) and its sister organization, the Gun Owners Foundation, on Monday filed a petition for certiorari with the Supreme Court in their challenge to the Protect Illinois Communities Act (PICA). The groups, representing Illinois gun owners, argue the law imposes an unconstitutional, sweeping ban on hundreds of commonly owned and lawfully used rifles and ammunition magazines."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gun-rights-groups-ask-supreme-court-strike-illinois-assault-weapons-ban