So if I add a couple of inches it will shoot farther, and increase performace?

Yes, refer to 20 inch M16 A1 type AR15s.

This video has some good examples where a shorter barrel helps in cqb.

I've never did CQB with an exact 16 inch barrel, as mine is 16 inches + what ever the break adds.

I wouldn't use a brake on a CQB gun, the muzzle blast reflecting off walls is going to mess you up.

I wouldn't use a brake on a CQB gun, the muzzle blast reflecting off walls is going to mess you up.

WHAT??!?!?! 

I've shot (next) to some obnoxious brakes, and even outdoors some were damn loud.  JP, Lantac, etc. 

I've never did CQB with an exact 16 inch barrel, as mine is 16 inches + what ever the break adds.  I doubt there's a huge difference in CQB performance, but IDK.  I have CQB'd with a bullpup and it's a noticeable difference.  But was I just used to the longer barrel?

Maybe they're just doing it because they can/trying to buck the system.

IMO, training helps reduce this issue.  Train with what you got.

Some owners spend a lot of time and money trying to shave off a couple more ounces from their AR in order to have the lightest weapon possible.

Whether it's for 3-gun competition, home defense, carrying into areas with wild animals, or just to make it easier to carry and shoot at the range, there's a benefit to losing those unnecessary ounces of barrel steel.

Barrel length difference alone might not be significant, but combined with lighter handguards, polymer vs. steel mags, lighter weight optics, removing the front sight post/gas block and replacing with a low profile block and much smaller sight, and so on can really add up in making the rifle lighter.

It's because of the Navy Seals, Army Rangers, Marine Force Recon, and Delta Operatives.

Fantasy Fulfilment.

What are the chances an average citizen will engage in CQB? 

Answer:  About the same as winning MegaBucks.

What are the chances the government will confiscate or ban all your cool firearms?

Answer:   

Minimum barrel length?

A) Because I can
B) Ounces = Pounds. . . over a carbine course, weight kills shoulders 

It's because of the Navy Seals, Army Rangers, Marine Force Recon, and Delta Operatives.

Fantasy Fulfilment.

What are the chances an average citizen will engage in CQB? 

Answer:  About the same as winning MegaBucks.

What are the chances the government will confiscate or ban all your cool firearms?

Answer:   

About the same as having to deal with an intruder or other threat in your home or business.

if you're basing your choices on odds, you probably shouldn't buy a gun at all.  Just get a big dog.

There's an adoption event happening ....   

It's because of the Navy Seals, Army Rangers, Marine Force Recon, and Delta Operatives.

Fantasy Fulfilment.

What are the chances an average citizen will engage in CQB? 

Answer:  About the same as winning MegaBucks.

What are the chances the government will confiscate or ban all your cool firearms?

Answer:   

Competition shooters are often at the forefront of innovation with gear and setups. 

Personally, for my ARs, I'm not interested in being service rifle competitions or stuff like that.  To each their own. . . while I do have one AR setup for "longer" distances, on average I would say in the "up close" to 50 yard distances.  I've had a couple of carbine classes that we were shooting out to 300ish, but that was mostly "for fun challenge". 

HPD was on camera measuring a barrel incorrectly a few years ago.  They measured on top the barrel with a yard stick. So the above is good info to know in case they do hassle you.

Also when I reg my shotgun, it looks less than 18 inches. The cop didn't even measure, he asked if it was 18 inches or longer and I said yes. He took my word for it.

Maui PD doesn't seem to want to look at my rifles when I register them, I've only been to the police department once. Does HPD really make you come in to physically register every single gun, and they actually measure them? Damn.

But this is sorta the concern I'd have. The ATF's method of measuring a barrel is well established, written down in clarification letters, if not administrative law. But if Hawaii decided that their 16 inches didn't include permanently-attached muzzle devices... Or that they measured from the "top of the balls" instead of the "base of the shaft" or whatever... I don't think it's on paper to say they couldn't, I imagine it'd be a court case but probably a winnable one. I'm willing to take the remote risk and sleep well knowing I'm at least complying with federal policy.

I don't know why guys are going for the bare minimum length. bullets don't shoot as far, velocity loss, performance decrease...

One can keep a 26" long gun shouldered while leaning sideways through a standard door frame or hallway, and it is really useful while keeping handy and positioning around inside of a vehicle too. I can take positions with a 26" gun that'd be physically impossible with a 30" gun. You can also fit it into a much smaller container, like a tool box.

I like bullpups. K&M, IWI, KelTec and DesertTech each make a 26"ish gun with 16"ish barrel in 308, and there are many more options in 5.56. Tavors/ x95's and AUG's have seen plenty of serious service; the layout is not a total evolutionary dead end.

Maui PD doesn't seem to want to look at my rifles when I register them, I've only been to the police department once. Does HPD really make you come in to physically register every single gun, and they actually measure them? Damn.

But this is sorta the concern I'd have. The ATF's method of measuring a barrel is well established, written down in clarification letters, if not administrative law. But if Hawaii decided that their 16 inches didn't include permanently-attached muzzle devices... Or that they measured from the "top of the balls" instead of the "base of the shaft" or whatever... I don't think it's on paper to say they couldn't, I imagine it'd be a court case but probably a winnable one. I'm willing to take the remote risk and sleep well knowing I'm at least complying with federal policy.

One can keep a 26" long gun shouldered while leaning sideways through a standard door frame or hallway, and it is really useful while keeping handy and positioning around inside of a vehicle too. I can take positions with a 26" gun that'd be physically impossible with a 30" gun. You can also fit it into a much smaller container, like a tool box.

I like bullpups. K&M, IWI, KelTec and DesertTech each make a 26"ish gun with 16"ish barrel in 308, and there are many more options in 5.56. Tavors/ x95's and AUG's have seen plenty of serious service; the layout is not a total evolutionary dead end.

The standard way to measure a rifle is from inside the barrel with the bolt forward. Stick a rod down it until it stops. HPD does confiscate SBR's like 1 or 2 a year, but i'm unsure of what barrel length.  These are probably people who moved here from the mainland. Also IDK if they were charged with anything since it was confiscated at HPD when they tried to register it.

That's good that MPD doesn't want to look at your rifles.  Yukutake, etal vs. Conners (HI AG at the time), lawsuit by HIFICO allows online reg if you buy the gun from a HI FFL. There is no need to bring these guns to the police station anymore.  But private party or out of state, then you must bring the gun to the police station.  Prior to this lawsuit settlement, all guns had to be brough into the police stations in your county.  This was changed like 1 or 2 years ago.

I did look into pullpups, but decided against them. 

1) The Tavor felt very off balance.  Compare this to an AUG, Keltec RDB or Desert Tech MDR.  Then the gen 1 Tavors, I like their mag release compared to the gen 2's.

2) If I went with Aug, I need all new mags as it doesn't accept Pmags.

3) The price of bullpups are often double what you can get a basic AR for. 

4) The cheaper one, like the Keltec, felt cheap and not as sturdy. I never looked into it's reliability, but it is a Keltec after all so....

5) Then the IDF switched from the Tavor back to the M4. So this combat tested army did so for a reason. 

you guys are the furst I know that want to go shorter...I never had anyone chop off any of my length, I cherish my inches

2) If I went with Aug, I need all new mags as it doesn't accept Pmags.

3) The price of bullpups are often double what you can get a basic AR for. 

As an AUGsexual I'm honor bound to address these two points

2. AUG NATO stock takes AR mags and they make AUG specific PMAGs so no need the expensive waffles. Trigger isn't as crisp as the standard but Steyr themselves sells spring kits that improve it.

3. AUGs are twice as cool as a standard AR so that tracks they're twice as expensive. I got mine online for about 1300 just gotta watch out for deals. But yes don't buy it if you don't have an AR already kitted out.

you guys are the furst I know that want to go shorter...I never had anyone chop off any of my length, I cherish my inches

mine was sbr'd very early on.

you guys are the furst I know that want to go shorter...I never had anyone chop off any of my length, I cherish my inches

They say when you don't have much, you cherish what little you have.

 

seems like 13.9", and in some cases 13.7", is the new 14.5", what with the wide availability of a range of 2.7" + muzzle devices, which get you to that magic 16" P&W length.  allowing for ~5/8" thread overlap, shims or crush washer.  When I have a barrel shortened & P&W, I send it to the gunsmith and tell him to shorten so that the assembled P&W length is 16.1".  More options available nowadays than even 5 years ago.

https://kakindustry.com/13-9-inch-5-56-melonite-barrel

just one example:
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-sabre-forged-13-7-fn-chf-cl-5-56-13-sabre-lock-up-rail-and-silencerco-asr-w-reptilia-recce-stock-and-grip-fde.html?utm_medium=email&utm_source=daily_deals&utm_campaign=pm&utm_term=03-06-2024&utm_content=51655152964

The standard way to measure a rifle is from inside the barrel with the bolt forward. Stick a rod down it until it stops. HPD does confiscate SBR's like 1 or 2 a year, but i'm unsure of what barrel length.  These are probably people who moved here from the mainland. Also IDK if they were charged with anything since it was confiscated at HPD when they tried to register it.

That's good that MPD doesn't want to look at your rifles.  Yukutake, etal vs. Conners (HI AG at the time), lawsuit by HIFICO allows online reg if you buy the gun from a HI FFL. There is no need to bring these guns to the police station anymore.  But private party or out of state, then you must bring the gun to the police station.  Prior to this lawsuit settlement, all guns had to be brough into the police stations in your county.  This was changed like 1 or 2 years ago.

I did look into pullpups, but decided against them. 

1) The Tavor felt very off balance.  Compare this to an AUG, Keltec RDB or Desert Tech MDR.  Then the gen 1 Tavors, I like their mag release compared to the gen 2's.

2) If I went with Aug, I need all new mags as it doesn't accept Pmags.

3) The price of bullpups are often double what you can get a basic AR for. 

4) The cheaper one, like the Keltec, felt cheap and not as sturdy. I never looked into it's reliability, but it is a Keltec after all so....

5) Then the IDF switched from the Tavor back to the M4. So this combat tested army did so for a reason.

since the Gaza dust-up, been watching some of the IDF action videos posted on their channels on Telegram.  Seems like the Tavors are getting a workout, since it's seems mostly urban CQB.  Could be also because it's all hands on-deck, any-and-all weapons to the front.  Carry-handle A1's through M4's through Tavors.  seems like there's quite a few 10.3" also.

They say when you don't have much, you cherish what little you have.

 

Asian wise man saying.