Planes falling apart, their own workers saying they would never fly on them, whistleblower mysterious suicide, and now footage of the worker who caused the cabin blowout was erased

If you are interested in survival this is one product you probably want to avoid...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/congressman-sold-boeing-stock-hours-doj-probe-was-announced

Yikes! 

After I grad college, a bunch of my classmates went to work for Boeing, believe in their Renton and Everett offices/plants.  A few were working on escape systems (exit doors and other stuff).  They were a wide range of engineering backgrounds.  Civil, Mechanical (HVAC, Cooling, not airplanes), etc.  It seemed like Boeing was hiring essenally anyone with a degree and a pulse.  Yeah, there's OJT, but to have green college grads working on critical functions like escape systems always seemed  to me. . .

My big brother worked Boeing aerospace on some spacey stuff.
FBI checked out our family.

Money and Power equates to strange things happening.

Yikes! 

After I grad college, a bunch of my classmates went to work for Boeing, believe in their Renton and Everett offices/plants.  A few were working on escape systems (exit doors and other stuff).  They were a wide range of engineering backgrounds.  Civil, Mechanical (HVAC, Cooling, not airplanes), etc.  It seemed like Boeing was hiring essenally anyone with a degree and a pulse.  Yeah, there's OJT, but to have green college grads working on critical functions like escape systems always seemed  to me. . .

My friend moved to WA and has a degree in teaching.  In WA (Seattle), they have too many teachers.  So he couldn't get a job. He applied at Boeing as a janitor and never got called back.  He's been selling cars ever since.

cool story, bro...

My friend moved to WA and has a degree in teaching.  In WA (Seattle), they have too many teachers.  So he couldn't get a job. He applied at Boeing as a janitor and never got called back.  He's been selling cars ever since.

Yikes! 

After I grad college, a bunch of my classmates went to work for Boeing, believe in their Renton and Everett offices/plants.  A few were working on escape systems (exit doors and other stuff).  They were a wide range of engineering backgrounds.  Civil, Mechanical (HVAC, Cooling, not airplanes), etc.  It seemed like Boeing was hiring essenally anyone with a degree and a pulse.  Yeah, there's OJT, but to have green college grads working on critical functions like escape systems always seemed  to me. . .

My first 5 years in the Air Force was working with the AWACS systems.  The E-3 was built on a modified Boeing 707 airframe, so naturally many of the systems were built and provided regular upgrades by Boeing.

Boeing happened to be the company that produced and supported the onboard 4Pi computer which the AWACS crew needed for their operational missions -- communications, weapons control, surveillance, flight intercepts, etc. 

I was sent to Seattle to visit Boeing once, just before a big "block" release of new software.  Block releases were like an automobile's new model roll-out.  The aircraft, the mission hardware and the software were all delivered in a block release, and I was there to see what's new with the configuration management portion -- all the IBM utilities and software being delivered to allow us, the customer, to code, integrate and test our own changes to the software.

The place I was in was a massive quonset hut shaped building that I'm sure was used as a hangar for some pretty large aircraft at one point.  The floor was literally a maze of walkways, room dividers, desks and people.  Since the systems were classified, they had some pretty decent security around the place.  In fact, we visitors had to be escorted the whole time even though we'd transmitted our clearances to their security people.

I think it would have taken me 3 months to just learn how to get around in that building and learn who sits where, what they do, etc.  So many people, and there was just three of us. 

i can see how a company with that many people probably spends half their day just having supervisors updated on what's happening with their projects, what problems are being worked, etc, etc, etc.

If Boeing cut corners on quality control to save money, it would not take long with such a massive collection of people for the processes to devolve into a confused, uncontrollable mess.

I would think a company that takes the lives of millions each year into their hands would better understand the consequences to the company and the people in charge if they are in fact proven to have been cutting corners and covering up test results of products that should not be fielded.

Another panel fell off today. Even the old ones are coming apart.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/boeing-737-139-passengers-loses-external-panel-mid-air

I blame DEI. They probably hired the bottom tier Asians.

I blame DEI. They probably hired the bottom tier Asians.

Lacist

I and many of my family worked at Boeing 20 years or more.
I was a technician for ten years and an engineer for ten years.
Many of my friends are Boeing Retirees.
We made and engineered the best aircraft in the world.
Then came the Democrat Bean counters.
That is all they can do, is count beans because they are too stupid to be engineers.
The same dipsticks that destroyed the Douglas aircraft company,
infected and are destroying the Boeing company.
I also have lots of friends and family that worked for McDonald Douglas.
it is all the same - Democrats,  they destroy every industry they
infect from mining, Steel, aluminum, to cars, shipyards, and aircraft.
all gone because of Democrats.
16th, 17th, and 19th amendments started it,
People that support idiots like Biden are finishing it.
 

I and many of my family worked at Boeing 20 years or more.
I was a technician for ten years and an engineer for ten years.
Many of my friends are Boeing Retirees.
We made and engineered the best aircraft in the world.
Then came the Democrat Bean counters.
That is all they can do, is count beans because they are too stupid to be engineers.
The same dipsticks that destroyed the Douglas aircraft company,
infected and are destroying the Boeing company.
I also have lots of friends and family that worked for McDonald Douglas.
it is all the same - Democrats,  they destroy every industry they
infect from mining, Steel, aluminum, to cars, shipyards, and aircraft.
all gone because of Democrats.
16th, 17th, and 19th amendments started it,
People that support idiots like Biden are finishing it.
 

From my experience, the 80s was when metrics became a major concern for all industries.  in my Air Force job, we had to start filling out time sheets allocating the time we worked to each specific task.  If a software problem report involved analysis, coding, function testing, integration, system testing, documentation, training and logistical support, every facet of the process had to be associated with the approximate number of man hours expended.

After a month, the forms were replaces with a newer version that included the time spent collecting and inputting those metrics!   

Ever spent a 9 hour day troubleshooting and helping others with half a dozen tasks and projects?  Most people don't have the luxury of starting and stopping what they work on so they can apply their minutes to a specific one.  Trying to pigeon hole our time into nice, neat start and stop times was almost impossible unless we were working on o thing exclusively and nobody was walking up and asking for help on other things.  As a team, we worked on the problems without watching the clock.

in the end, what I saw was a monthly metrics report that were based on WAGs (wild-ass guesses), estimates, imperfect memories and so forth.  The memory thing became such a problem that the weekly metrics collections were changed to daily, because people couldn't remember from day-to-day what they did, much less how much time was spent per item.

i think metrics are good for specific things, but the collection of the data needs to be either automated or done by an independent observer.  Without accurate data, metrics are nothing more than interesting.  Decisions should not be based on data that was self-reported.  For example, if a worker is taking 20 minute breaks every hour, do you think that's going to be recorded accurately?  Or, will part of that break time be shifted to actual tasks to avoid documenting how much he slacks off?

Your bean counter comments brought that to mind.  It's more realistic to account for the time taken to complete a task using a calendar unless you are going to hire enough people to assign them all exclusively to one task at a time.

Re bean counters:

The elites hate the American dream and would have forced us all into labor camps if they weren't so terrified of an armed revolt. DEI is the next best option to restart the plantation era, even if it means planes start falling out of the sky.