Makes sense, cause some job industries dont like to admit theyre wrong on a higher % than others.

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What job industries like to admit mistakes? What you are talking about is human nature.

Me and Ren, duh. See where it says "Quote from ren..."? That indicates I am replying to him, thus together it becomes "we".

you train? range not too far for you? Looking at a 1-6 VCOG to replace my Vortex 1-6. Perhaps you can mount your scopes backwards and see how it does at each yardline.

Me and Ren, duh. See where it says "Quote from ren..."? That indicates I am replying to him, thus together it becomes "we".

Ren didn't state that he would be there.  He could just be an organizer, hence the "our next shoot".  You're assuming what Ren meant and not factoring objectivity. 

Your reply also didn't state that the backwards scope day will be together at the location of the open shoot.  You could have a backwards scope at home or work and as long as it's the same day as the open shoot, it's "backward scope day". I'm being objective and don't want to assume that you and Ren will be at the open shoot at the same time and do a backwards scope day.

What job industries like to admit mistakes? What you are talking about is human nature.

You are right. But, from my experience in life with various employees in various industries, I can say that I have a higher percentage of negative interactions with HPD being upset because I knew the law and they didn't.  And witnessing interactions.  Compare this with going to eat and informing the worker that the food is out of temp, or a food/safety violation.

You are right. But, from my experience in life with various employees in various industries, I can say that I have a higher percentage of negative interactions with HPD being upset because I knew the law and they didn't.  And witnessing interactions.  Compare this with going to eat and informing the worker that the food is out of temp, or a food/safety violation.

A person might not like to admit their failures, but a company or government organization has an ethical duty to admit when they do.

Ethics -- something nobody seems to care about.

The DoD contracting company I worked for had a very strong ethics program.  Training, advertisement of our ethics creed, and a huge network all the way up to the CEO for reporting even the suspicion or appearance of unethical or illegal behavior.  All it took was one employee to anonymously report that division chief joe was behaving unethically, and an audit team would be sent to investigate.  It could be as small as fudging on timesheets or charging hours to the wrong contract to taking huge kickbacks from customers.

Pretending there's not one individual in a "job industry" (whatever that is) who will admit when they aren't living up to the performance or ethics standards they teach is naive.  It's why whistle blower laws exist.

And "like" is the wrong word.  They don't have to like admitting mistakes, but they do have a duty to identify and correct them.  I might not like to eat carrots, but it doesn't mean I'ne never done it.

Ren didn't state that he would be there.  He could just be an organizer, hence the "our next shoot".  You're assuming what Ren meant and not factoring objectivity. 

Your reply also didn't state that the backwards scope day will be together at the location of the open shoot.  You could have a backwards scope at home or work and as long as it's the same day as the open shoot, it's "backward scope day". I'm being objective and don't want to assume that you and Ren will be at the open shoot at the same time and do a backwards scope day.

A range day with him would just be a lot of debates and arguing anyways. Junk.

A range day with him would just be a lot of debates and arguing anyways. Junk.

Ren: THe scope is on backwards.
EEF: Or is the scope fine, and it's the rifle that's backwards?  You also left out that the scope mount may be backwards as well.  Or, do I have a vision where everything is zoomed in, so I need a backwards scope to zoom me out?

Ren: THe scope is on backwards.
EEF: Or is the scope fine, and it's the rifle that's backwards?  You also left out that the scope mount may be backwards as well.  Or, do I have a vision where everything is zoomed in, so I need a backwards scope to zoom me out?

Maybe he's used to shooting at a 50 yd range, and he always mounts it this way to give that 200 yd experience?

Maybe he's used to shooting at a 50 yd range, and he always mounts it this way to give that 200 yd experience?

Could be, this is another objective hypothetical.

you train? range not too far for you? Looking at a 1-6 VCOG to replace my Vortex 1-6. Perhaps you can mount your scopes backwards and see how it does at each yardline.

I do, range is close enough but I haven't gotten back into it since the range closed. Might try to take my kids saturday and sight in my new glock.

You are right. But, from my experience in life with various employees in various industries, I can say that I have a higher percentage of negative interactions with HPD being upset because I knew the law and they didn't.  And witnessing interactions.  Compare this with going to eat and informing the worker that the food is out of temp, or a food/safety violation.

I have met rude cops and super friendly cops, ones who get annoyed when you challenge them doesn't surprise me.

Do they resent being challenged or shown wrong at a higher percentage than other professions? I don't know, that would be an interesting thing to study. Given they tend to be more of a type A personality (a necessity of the job) it might make sense if there are elevated rates compared to many other professions but certainly not unique to cops.

how do you do the job if you are not type A?

I have met rude cops and super friendly cops, ones who get annoyed when you challenge them doesn't surprise me.

Do they resent being challenged or shown wrong at a higher percentage than other professions? I don't know, that would be an interesting thing to study. Given they tend to be more of a type A personality (a necessity of the job) it might make sense if there are elevated rates compared to many other professions but certainly not unique to cops.

I have met rude cops and super friendly cops, ones who get annoyed when you challenge them doesn't surprise me.

Do they resent being challenged or shown wrong at a higher percentage than other professions? I don't know, that would be an interesting thing to study. Given they tend to be more of a type A personality (a necessity of the job) it might make sense if there are elevated rates compared to many other professions but certainly not unique to cops.

It's not about just them getting "upset."  it's about them having the authority to arrest you and use force on you -- up to and including lethal force.

But, hey.  all things being equal, right?

I had a friend talk to to Cops outside in his yard after a woman filed a false harassment complaint simply because he followed her after she dinged his LEASED BMW 6.  If you know about leases, he gets charged for any damage.

Caught up to her when she parked at her home.  He told her he would be glad to get her insurance info and leave, but she started yelling at him -- trying to intimidate him.  When he said he was going to file a police report and left, she dialed the Cops and reported him harassing her.

The Cops lied to him saying she had witnesses to the harassment and him threatening her.  He laughed and said that was a lie.  How can there be a witness to something that never happened?  At that point the cops got angry that their ruse failed, and they threatened to arrest him.  He told them to get a warrant.  He also said if they don't leave his property, he'll file a trespassing complaint. 

That really pissed off one Cop.  He started saying things like, "We can go anywhere we f-ing want, and if you don't like it, you can f- yourself!"  With that, he started to open the front gate, and the other Cop grabbed the gate and stopped him. 

A badge and a gun -- it's a helluva drug.

I have met rude cops and super friendly cops, ones who get annoyed when you challenge them doesn't surprise me.

Do they resent being challenged or shown wrong at a higher percentage than other professions? I don't know, that would be an interesting thing to study. Given they tend to be more of a type A personality (a necessity of the job) it might make sense if there are elevated rates compared to many other professions but certainly not unique to cops.

This is why I said in my XP, because IDK nor took the time to see if there is a study.  Audit videos can be 1 sided as no one post every good interaction they have with cops vs bad ones.  But there is a common theme to them.  Some audit YTers that I watch don't just post the ones that cops violate peoples rights/law, they even post when the cops were right and the filmer was wrong. Some even go as far to rate the demeanor of the cop. As in "Although the cop was legally right, his hostile demeanor escalated the situation that the outcome could have been much better".  And the same goes with the filmers. "Their hostile attitude toward the police officer from the begining..."

This is why I said in my XP, because IDK nor took the time to see if there is a study.  Audit videos can be 1 sided as no one post every good interaction they have with cops vs bad ones.  But there is a common theme to them.  Some audit YTers that I watch don't just post the ones that cops violate peoples rights/law, they even post when the cops were right and the filmer was wrong. Some even go as far to rate the demeanor of the cop. As in "Although the cop was legally right, his hostile demeanor escalated the situation that the outcome could have been much better".  And the same goes with the filmers. "Their hostile attitude toward the police officer from the begining..."

Quite often the difference between a friendly cop and a mean one is circumstance.  Big difference between getting stopped on the roadside for excessive speed and having a social conversation at a picnic.

Just saying.

Always the village idiot derailing threads nothing to do with a backwards mounted scope and incorrectly installed handguard.

Always the village idiot detailing threads.nothing to do with a backwards mounted scope and incorrectly installed handguard.

Or the rifle is installed backwards.

how do you do the job if you are not type A?

Are you saying I dont seem type A?

This is why I said in my XP, because IDK nor took the time to see if there is a study.  Audit videos can be 1 sided as no one post every good interaction they have with cops vs bad ones.  But there is a common theme to them.  Some audit YTers that I watch don't just post the ones that cops violate peoples rights/law, they even post when the cops were right and the filmer was wrong. Some even go as far to rate the demeanor of the cop. As in "Although the cop was legally right, his hostile demeanor escalated the situation that the outcome could have been much better".  And the same goes with the filmers. "Their hostile attitude toward the police officer from the begining..."

I think many cops are their own worst enemies. The vast majority of people can be talked down and into compliance given a skillful communicator but it seems less common among type A personalities. Optimal police personalities seem to have to walk a fine balance of certain traits.

yes

Are you saying I dont seem type A?