RINOS (Read 3151 times)

hvybarrels

RINOS
« on: April 18, 2024, 01:39:42 PM »
We pay to defend the borders of Ukraine and Israel, but what about the invasion on our border?

https://apnews.com/article/speaker-johnson-democrats-vacate-ukraine-e506951def3f78cf637274d230b89152


The problem governments are trying to solve is the existence of your freedom.

Jaco808

Re: RINOS
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2024, 09:57:31 AM »
Worth every penny.   America is the leader of the world and democracy.   We must protect our interests.  Defeating the terrorists and our enemies.   Republicans used to stand for this,  but now with the new MAGA faction it's faltering.   Bring back the real GOP.

zippz

Re: RINOS
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2024, 01:15:40 PM »
Republicans are doing the smart moves.  The funding for the wars are popular with majority of voters and a drop in the bucket without losing our service members.  It also keeps other enemy nations in check.  The border bill should pass, but you can't pass a bill as the minority.

The goal now should be to win as many voters as possible and win Congress and the Presidency.  Then we can get bills passed.  Not do stupid stuff and lose elections like in 2020 and 2022.

If you want strong conservative bills to be passed, then you have to convince the public why.  Like why seniors should advocate for cuts in their social security checks.

macsak

Re: RINOS
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2024, 01:25:31 PM »
please show me where MAGA repubs do not support those things...

Worth every penny.   America is the leader of the world and democracy.   We must protect our interests.  Defeating the terrorists and our enemies.   Republicans used to stand for this,  but now with the new MAGA faction it's faltering.   Bring back the real GOP.

Jaco808

Re: RINOS
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2024, 04:49:12 PM »
please show me where MAGA repubs do not support those things...

Trump said out loud to not support those things....

Jaco808

Re: RINOS
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2024, 04:51:13 PM »
Republicans are doing the smart moves.  The funding for the wars are popular with majority of voters and a drop in the bucket without losing our service members.  It also keeps other enemy nations in check.  The border bill should pass, but you can't pass a bill as the minority.

The goal now should be to win as many voters as possible and win Congress and the Presidency.  Then we can get bills passed.  Not do stupid stuff and lose elections like in 2020 and 2022.

If you want strong conservative bills to be passed, then you have to convince the public why.  Like why seniors should advocate for cuts in their social security checks.

The best chance to pass the border bill was when it was attached to the other funding.   The negotiated border bill was actually very tough.   Unfortunately I predict a landslide victory for the dems because of MAGA.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: RINOS
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2024, 04:53:01 PM »
Trump said out loud to not support those things....

Of course, you have sources to back up your claim?

Even if true (which I highly doubt), does everyone who likes Trump do everything he says to do?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: RINOS
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2024, 05:10:11 PM »
i said "please show me"...

Trump said out loud to not support those things....

macsak

Re: RINOS
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2024, 05:11:52 PM »
please show where it "was actually really tough"...

The best chance to pass the border bill was when it was attached to the other funding.   The negotiated border bill was actually very tough.   Unfortunately I predict a landslide victory for the dems because of MAGA.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: RINOS
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2024, 05:49:29 PM »
The best chance to pass the border bill was when it was attached to the other funding.   The negotiated border bill was actually very tough.   Unfortunately I predict a landslide victory for the dems because of MAGA.

That so-called border bill did nothing to secure the border.  It added money and people for processing the illegals and provide for the system to adjudicate their stay here while they await hearings.

So, no.  That Trojan Horse bill that's labeled "a border bill" was not "very tough."  It was a bill to spend even more for the benefit of the very people this administration is allowing to come into this country without resistance.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: RINOS
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2024, 06:15:58 PM »
The "toughness" of the border was undone as soon as bidet took office.  By executive order he undid all the "toughness".

Then for 3 years he left the tap on full throttle.  Illegals didn't even flood the gates.

Because there were no gates.  Open borders as far as the eye can see.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Brystont1

Re: RINOS
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2024, 09:04:03 PM »
Republicans are doing the smart moves.  The funding for the wars are popular with majority of voters and a drop in the bucket without losing our service members.  It also keeps other enemy nations in check.  The border bill should pass, but you can't pass a bill as the minority.

The goal now should be to win as many voters as possible and win Congress and the Presidency.  Then we can get bills passed.  Not do stupid stuff and lose elections like in 2020 and 2022.

If you want strong conservative bills to be passed, then you have to convince the public why.  Like why seniors should advocate for cuts in their social security checks.

Drop in the bucket? Yeah maybe 30 years ago. We’ve had to many “drops in the bucket” and the bucket has been overflowing for a while now.

hvybarrels

Re: RINOS
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2024, 10:08:36 PM »
I feel like the GOP is controlled opposition at this point. It's just a WCW match made to distract us while the real decisions get made behind closed doors. There are a few honest ones left like Gaetz, Hawley, and MTG but we are way too late to turn things around at this point and as we approach 35 trillion in debt and waltz from one disastrous intervention to the next that the rest of the world is starting to realize that our military is just as useless as our money.
The problem governments are trying to solve is the existence of your freedom.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: RINOS
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2024, 12:40:48 AM »
I feel like the GOP is controlled opposition at this point. It's just a WCW match made to distract us while the real decisions get made behind closed doors. There are a few honest ones left like Gaetz, Hawley, and MTG but we are way too late to turn things around at this point and as we approach 35 trillion in debt and waltz from one disastrous intervention to the next that the rest of the world is starting to realize that our military is just as useless as our money.

That's been my opinion since the 90s.  What I observed is the majority party uses its votes to pass things the minority doesn't like, and the minority decries to th public how horribly the majority party is screwing up the country.

Then, when the majority changes hands, it's the same game -- only the players are reversed.

Their obvious plan was to keep the voters off balance by using the treasury to buy votes.  One party (D) promises to give more of the wealth to the poor through tax credits, new deductions and public assistance programs while "taxing the rich."  The other party (R) buys votes by cutting taxes, increasing wealth for the middle and upper classes, and spending more on defense / less on entitlements.

I think the iInternet changed a lot of that by making it harder to control the news.  Now, it's a divisive game of keeping both sides at each other throats instead of focusing on the politicians as much.  It's a more tribal landscape now, or what I've been calling the "America's Got Talent" mindset.  Viewers voting for their favorites on the show didn't necessarily vote for the person they thought was most talented, but rather for the person they decided "deserved" to win for whatever emotional reason -- sexiness, heartbreaking backstory, LGBT status, etc.  No matter how well the other contestants performed, or how poorly their did that week, they refused to abandon "Team Whoever-They-Like." 

Pure tribalism.

That's one reason we can't get term limits for Congress passed.  The same people sit in office for 2, 3, 4 or more decades in government.  And these people somehow keep getting elected -- some promising "change."   :rofl:

Biden is 81.  He's been in government since 1973.   My calculator tells me he's been in government for 51 years -- or 47 if you subtract Trump's 4 years.  Still, that's a 51 year career with a 4 year vacation.   

The age at which one can retire and receive full Social Security benefits is 70.

Joe's well past his "Best By:" date.   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: RINOS
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2024, 08:02:35 AM »
The "toughness" of the border was undone as soon as bidet took office.  By executive order he undid all the "toughness".

Then for 3 years he left the tap on full throttle.  Illegals didn't even flood the gates.

Because there were no gates.  Open borders as far as the eye can see.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/after-blocking-alejandro-mayorkas-impeachment-trial-dems-border-plan-is-to-hope-no-one-s-watching/ar-AA1nlQ2z?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c7d53b43dfc241dcbf6a064d8da08a14&ei=200
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Re: RINOS
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2024, 08:05:54 AM »

Joe's well past his "Best By:" date.   :geekdanc:

joe is like that moldy package of cheese with the expired date that was forgotten by the stock clerk way in the back of the dairy chill section.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

hvybarrels

The problem governments are trying to solve is the existence of your freedom.

Brystont1

Re: RINOS
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2024, 11:00:53 PM »
Hahahaha

1.5T dollar deficit and warrantless spying on Americans . “Smart moves”

QUIETShooter

Re: RINOS
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2024, 07:48:06 AM »
Mr. President, our Border is broken......

President:  "I don't care.  Ukraine is more important.  Besides, Ukranians cannot vote for me.  I checked and tried...."

But.....But.....Ukraine is not even a NATO member.  Did you even check to see what the other NATO members are doing to help?

President:  "What's a NATO?  Is that that Japanese stinky slimy bean thingy I was eating the other day?"

No, Mr. President.  And that slimy stinky thing you were eating the other day was your snot.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

hvybarrels

Re: RINOS
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2024, 02:48:28 PM »
So it turns out it was all a big misunderstanding and the Martians were actually here to save us.

The problem governments are trying to solve is the existence of your freedom.