Why does Honolulu, HI come in #2 for most police officers in the nation? (Read 21730 times)

bryanhayn

I found this statistic today and thought it was odd considering our strict gun laws and somewhat low crime rate. Anyone know why this is? Maybe with our ridiculous speed limits and asshole drivers we need these cops around to give us traffic tickets  ???

www.city-data.com/top2/c423.html

bryanhayn

Note this is from 2006... I'm not sure how it is now.

rswarrior1700

Because the pay is good and they don't have to deal with real crimes or worried being shot at by people who really hate cops.

People would love to have a job that is easy to do and have an easy payout.

Like my soon to be former co-worker who will work at a hotel handing towels at the pool for $19 full time position full time benefits, union

while others stuck at minimum wage jobs because they believe there is nothing out there.

thats capitalism for ya.

there I said it.

bryanhayn

thats capitalism for ya.

there I said it.

Thank you for saying it. I wish more people would come out and say it rather than blindly going along with the herd.

rswarrior1700

Thank you for saying it. I wish more people would come out and say it rather than blindly going along with the herd.
Just like this gun craze issue.

Also some state offer more than Hawaii, but crime out there is so out of control and the risk is his that is not worth it. What would you  or I would do?
Then there is Illinois where there are no police because of both crime and funds, funny the state the that Obama used to represent......

Gordyf

One would think that they could spare a couple guys to help man up the gun registration window. Part of the Motto is "To Serve"?

  ::)
Aloha
Gordy

ren

Because the pay is good and they don't have to deal with real crimes or worried being shot at by people who really hate cops.

People would love to have a job that is easy to do and have an easy payout.

Like my soon to be former co-worker who will work at a hotel handing towels at the pool for $19 full time position full time benefits, union

while others stuck at minimum wage jobs because they believe there is nothing out there.

thats capitalism for ya.

there I said it.
The pay sucks unless you work special duty and put in hours.
Its not easy. Imagine dealing with all kinds of people in different mental states, different backgrounds and different situations;  every day. Wears on you.
Deeds Not Words

Kingkeoni

Part of the Motto is "To Serve"?

  ::)

Not anymore, it's not.

Have you looked at the cars lately?
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Kingkeoni

The pay sucks unless you work special duty and put in hours.
Its not easy. Imagine dealing with all kinds of people in different mental states, different backgrounds and different situations;  every day. Wears on you.

Waah, waah.

They start at $4800 a month.
How does that suck?

Whether you work as a cashier, policeman or in customer service anywhere, you deal with all kinds of people in different mental states.
At least as a police officer you have the authority to fight back against physical violence.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

rswarrior1700

They need to assign a special duty at the registration window :)

ren

Re: Why does Honolulu, HI come in #2 for most police officers in the nation?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2012, 03:30:28 PM »
At least as a police officer you have the authority to fight back against physical violence.
and you don't?
Deeds Not Words

Colt808

Re: Why does Honolulu, HI come in #2 for most police officers in the nation?
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2012, 03:35:14 PM »
You guys are jumping to conclusions about HPD officers, based on what? Bad information and/or personal bias? Because of all my friends and family who are in HPD...not one joined for the pay or to get rich and it damn well isn't an "easy" job.

One should get their facts straight before jumping to conclusions...Because the city-data information is simply incorrect. Basically they're using the population for Honolulu (District 1) and factoring in ALL the officers & staff in HPD.

Per City-data:
Population: 377,357 residents
HPD: 2058 officers
Officers for every 1000 residents: 5.45

Actual figures:
Population: 909,000 ('residents' in 2006)
HPD: 1200 officers (generous approximation of total of 'working' HPD officers in 2006)
Officers for every 1000 residents: 1.32 So we were actually nowhere close to the top 101.

Keep in mind that the statistical population does NOT take into account transient visitors (tourists) and non-resident military personnel/civilian contractors. And that HPD currently has about 1900 officers, in 29 divisions spread over 8 districts (NOT all are patrol). Realistically, we've got well over 1.8-2 million people and 1400 "working" officers, so it's probably 0.7 to 0.8 officers per 1000. I've been in podunk towns with better ratios. Still think there are too many HPD officers and that it's an easy, over paid job?

We really need to stop with the whole "F*ck the police" mentality.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

Colt808

Re: Why does Honolulu, HI come in #2 for most police officers in the nation?
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2012, 03:45:17 PM »
Not anymore, it's not.

Have you looked at the cars lately?
It's "Integrity, Respect, Fairness". "To serve..." disappeared from most departments in the '90's.

Waah, waah.

They start at $4800 a month.
How does that suck?
Factoring in the hours and expenses associated (both personal and financial) with the job...it kind of does. Remember we're not talking about a 9-5/5 day a week job.

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Whether you work as a cashier, policeman or in customer service anywhere, you deal with all kinds of people in different mental states.
At least as a police officer you have the authority to fight back against physical violence.
Customer service with a badge & gun.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it. ~Thomas Paine


And I still see stupid people.

Bunker

Re: Why does Honolulu, HI come in #2 for most police officers in the nation?
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2012, 04:00:42 PM »
I think it's important to keep it in prospective and not consider the monetary aspect.

Law enforcent officers protect and defend a society, people's rights, and enforce the laws. Countless LEO across the country have gave their life in the line of duty. It's an extremely stressful profession, that many could not comprehend. My father was a homocide detective sergeant in Detroit but worked his way up along the way. He was shot once in the line of duty and his armor Is the only thing that saved his life. He never talked shop at home but one day he was really depressed and everyone was on him at home. He just got pissed off and said "he just came from a crime scene where some fuckin drug addict was so high, she nuked her newborn in the fuckin microwave". He went on to say, I don't think you want to know how my day is, just don't ask. Not to mention kids and wives never seeing their husband/wife and father, staggering number of LE divorces and suicides. I know Detroit is not Hawaii but they do deserve respect for what they do and the sacrifice they give...its a thankless job. Last point, my father died eight months after he retired, very common for retired LEO to die shortly after retirement, probably because their bodies have a difficult time adjusting to minimal stress. Just my opinion.

armsinc

Re: Why does Honolulu, HI come in #2 for most police officers in the nation?
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2012, 05:20:24 PM »
I found this statistic today and thought it was odd considering our strict gun laws and somewhat low crime rate. Anyone know why this is? Maybe with our ridiculous speed limits and asshole drivers we need these cops around to give us traffic tickets  ???

www.city-data.com/top2/c423.html

I feel like there's an Asian driving Joke some were.... i wonder.... jk ......
 
We love police we also have a large tourist population per Capita that does not exist in other states to the same extent
ArmsInc Hawaii

xer 21

Re: Why does Honolulu, HI come in #2 for most police officers in the nation?
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2012, 06:01:53 PM »
The pay sucks unless you work special duty and put in hours.
Its not easy. Imagine dealing with all kinds of people in different mental states, different backgrounds and different situations;  every day. Wears on you.
the pay is pretty good for some people, especially if you either dont have a degree, or have one in a field with shaky prospects, like sociology.  i know a lot of people who have joined the force because it blows all of their other options out of the water in terms of pay. 

its a lot like the military.  on the surface, for a lot of people, enlisting doesnt sound like that great of a deal.  but for a lot of them, its far and away the best option in terms of making a living.

Kingkeoni

Re: Why does Honolulu, HI come in #2 for most police officers in the nation?
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2012, 06:06:16 PM »

Factoring in the hours and expenses associated (both personal and financial) with the job...it kind of does.
Elaborate. What expenses do HPD officers incur that the department doesn't pay for?
Remember we're not talking about a 9-5/5 day a week job.
Any hours worked over 40 pay overtime
Customer service with a badge & gun.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Bunker

Re: Why does Honolulu, HI come in #2 for most police officers in the nation?
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2012, 06:14:25 PM »
the pay is pretty good for some people, especially if you either dont have a degree, or have one in a field with shaky prospects, like sociology.  i know a lot of people who have joined the force because it blows all of their other options out of the water in terms of pay. 

its a lot like the military.  on the surface, for a lot of people, enlisting doesnt sound like that great of a deal.  but for a lot of them, its far and away the best option in terms of making a living.

In most larger police departments, if you want to advance generally you need education beyond a high school diploma. I agree many may join for superficial reasons but many join in the hopes of making a difference in their communities. Fifty-four Hawaii LEO have died in the line of duty over the years, not all are at the hands of criminals, which is small compared to States that comprise large metropolitan cities comprised of large numbers of hardened criminals and gangs.

Gordyf

Re: Why does Honolulu, HI come in #2 for most police officers in the nation?
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2012, 06:16:49 PM »
It's "Integrity, Respect, Fairness". "To serve..." disappeared from most departments in the '90's.
Factoring in the hours and expenses associated (both personal and financial) with the job...it kind of does. Remember we're not talking about a 9-5/5 day a week job.
Customer service with a badge & gun.

I stand corrected colt 808 as to the motto,and in no way was I implicating the officer on the street for the FUBAR the registration window.
That is clearly a management issue.
Cops work daily in the belly of the beast. Not for me, but the starting money is not much less than I make after some 30 years in my field.
Special duty and overtime are only a dream. In my line of work O/T is own time.
Aloha
Gordy

xer 21

Re: Why does Honolulu, HI come in #2 for most police officers in the nation?
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2012, 06:18:53 PM »
In most larger police departments, if you want to advance generally you need education beyond a high school diploma. I agree many may join for superficial reasons but many join in the hopes of making a difference in their communities. Fifty-four Hawaii LEO have died in the line of duty over the years, not all are at the hands of criminals, which is small compared to States that comprise large metropolitan cities comprised of large numbers of hardened criminals and gangs.
i understand that.  im only speaking to Hawaii's situation, which is a bit different from most.

just from personal experience, i know a lot of people who got out of high school, didnt know what they wanted to do, and had a choice of working retail/restaurant, or something similar, or getting into the force/fire department.  almost all chose the latter.