kaneshiro "not guilty" (Read 10498 times)

hvybarrels

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2024, 03:49:02 PM »
Local yakuza wannabes?  Or actual/traditional yakuza?

[rhetorical, or course]

Good point. I'm not connected enough to know.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

macsak

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2024, 05:32:12 PM »
"coincidentally" showed up in my youtube feed...



Good point. I'm not connected enough to know.

hvybarrels

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2024, 12:54:44 AM »
That's a really good video.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

changemyoil66

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2024, 08:27:22 AM »
So I haven't been following this. Can someone post cliff notes on what he was accused of?  I mean, dont' just say bribery.  But a little more details please.

macsak

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2024, 08:53:33 AM »
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So I haven't been following this. Can someone post cliff notes on what he was accused of?  I mean, dont' just say bribery.  But a little more details please.

changemyoil66

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2024, 09:14:02 AM »

macsak

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2024, 09:15:51 AM »

changemyoil66

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2024, 09:37:33 AM »

macsak

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2024, 09:38:52 AM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2024, 10:36:38 AM »
So I haven't been following this. Can someone post cliff notes on what he was accused of?  I mean, dont' just say bribery.  But a little more details please.
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Federal prosecutors had alleged that Mitsunaga & Associates employees conspired to
bribe then-Honolulu Prosecuting Attorney Keith Kaneshiro with campaign donations in
exchange for Kaneshiro's prosecution of a former company employee.

The indictment alleged that the CEO and four employees contributed more than $45,000
to Kaneshiro’s reelection campaigns between 2012 and 2016.

All six defendants pleaded not guilty in 2022 to one count of conspiracy to defraud the City
and County of Honolulu and one count of conspiracy to intimidate the former employee,
Laurel Mau, to prevent her from exercising her rights by filing a civil rights lawsuit against
the firm.
https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2024-05-17/bribery-trial-against-ex-honolulu-prosecutor-kaneshiro
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2024, 10:46:58 AM »
Seabright recused himself because he was the target of a murder for hire plot. Mitsunaga got locked up for witnesses tampering. Makes me wonder who he was hanging out with back in the 70s and 80s
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

changemyoil66

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2024, 11:00:19 AM »
https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2024-05-17/bribery-trial-against-ex-honolulu-prosecutor-kaneshiro

So what would Kaneshiro have been able to do to this employee?  I mean, she would have to had broken a law for him or his office to come after her.  And same if he used any HPD officer (for this specifically).  That would mean the cop would be waiting outside her home or tailing her when driving to find something.

How can they "intimidate" Mau from hiring a lawyer?  I get that they might try damage control first, as in talk to her and they say her civil right wasn't violated.  I don't see how they prevented her from seeking a lawyer or filing a allegation to the feds.

Mau's civil lawsuit sounds petty too. She got fired and didn't like it. "Mau was an architect at the firm and she’d been accused of stealing by taking side jobs. During trial, Mau said she was directed to take on some of those jobs by firm employees. Meanwhile, some of the jobs were offered pro bono.'

Flapp_Jackson

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2024, 11:45:35 AM »
So what would Kaneshiro have been able to do to this employee?  I mean, she would have to had broken a law for him or his office to come after her.  And same if he used any HPD officer (for this specifically).  That would mean the cop would be waiting outside her home or tailing her when driving to find something.

How can they "intimidate" Mau from hiring a lawyer?  I get that they might try damage control first, as in talk to her and they say her civil right wasn't violated.  I don't see how they prevented her from seeking a lawyer or filing a allegation to the feds.

Mau's civil lawsuit sounds petty too. She got fired and didn't like it. "Mau was an architect at the firm and she’d been accused of stealing by taking side jobs. During trial, Mau said she was directed to take on some of those jobs by firm employees. Meanwhile, some of the jobs were offered pro bono.'

You answered your own question.

If Mau was being accused of stealing -- whether or not she was guilty -- the prosecutor could have indicted her and dragged her through years of hiring lawyers and appearing in court.

My read on the situation is she was intimidated through threats of prosecution and told the charges would not be filed if she refrained from filing that civil rights lawsuit.

You say she was a disgruntled employee filing a "petty" lawsuit in retaliation for being terminated.  If that were true, what was her former employer worried about? 

If someone asks you for blackmail money or they'll tell the police they saw you commit a crime, doesn't it scream "guilty" if you pay them?  Why would you pay the blackmail demand otherwise?

Same thing here.  Why would you "donate" so much to a prosecutor's campaign fund if you weren't trying to buy yourself a "favor?"  The feds did a lengthy investigation before indicting, so there had to be at least some evidence to support the charges.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2024, 01:12:51 PM »
You answered your own question.

If Mau was being accused of stealing -- whether or not she was guilty -- the prosecutor could have indicted her and dragged her through years of hiring lawyers and appearing in court.

My read on the situation is she was intimidated through threats of prosecution and told the charges would not be filed if she refrained from filing that civil rights lawsuit.

You say she was a disgruntled employee filing a "petty" lawsuit in retaliation for being terminated.  If that were true, what was her former employer worried about? 

If someone asks you for blackmail money or they'll tell the police they saw you commit a crime, doesn't it scream "guilty" if you pay them?  Why would you pay the blackmail demand otherwise?

Same thing here.  Why would you "donate" so much to a prosecutor's campaign fund if you weren't trying to buy yourself a "favor?"  The feds did a lengthy investigation before indicting, so there had to be at least some evidence to support the charges.

People "donate" to those who are in high positions all the time. No different from any of our lawmakers in office (senate, house, gov, mayor, etc...). And refer to the courts ruling.

Apparently, the feds high probability to convict fell short, even after all the investigation they did.  They have a 96% conviction rate and lost this one.  But this is a separate issue as the feds often stack the deck, and accept plea deals to bump up their %.  Guess they couldn't stack the deck as much against these people.

I say petty because she did lose in civil court. So her termination was justified, and add in this lack of evidence for Kaneshiro, et al's charges. So what she's claiming, there wasn't enough to get anything in her favor.  So maybe her employer did fire her for the correct reason.

I was thinking what you thought as well, threat of prosecution if she files the complaint. But it seems like she did file the complaint and she wasn't prosecuted for the "theft". I mean, it could be cause this story broke and Kaneshiro's hands were tied.

I was in banking and caught a few employees stealing over the years. Not once did we call the police. The bank either fired them or they quit before they were fired. So "theft" is a word that doesn't necessarily mean arrest and charged.  Sounds like the firm just fired her for that reason and didn't bother with the legal aspect of calling the police and pressing charges.  So refer back to my "petty" statement.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2024, 01:43:06 PM »
People "donate" to those who are in high positions all the time. No different from any of our lawmakers in office (senate, house, gov, mayor, etc...). And refer to the courts ruling.

Apparently, the feds high probability to convict fell short, even after all the investigation they did.  They have a 96% conviction rate and lost this one.  But this is a separate issue as the feds often stack the deck, and accept plea deals to bump up their %.  Guess they couldn't stack the deck as much against these people.

I say petty because she did lose in civil court. So her termination was justified, and add in this lack of evidence for Kaneshiro, et al's charges. So what she's claiming, there wasn't enough to get anything in her favor.  So maybe her employer did fire her for the correct reason.

I was thinking what you thought as well, threat of prosecution if she files the complaint. But it seems like she did file the complaint and she wasn't prosecuted for the "theft". I mean, it could be cause this story broke and Kaneshiro's hands were tied.

I was in banking and caught a few employees stealing over the years. Not once did we call the police. The bank either fired them or they quit before they were fired. So "theft" is a word that doesn't necessarily mean arrest and charged.  Sounds like the firm just fired her for that reason and didn't bother with the legal aspect of calling the police and pressing charges.  So refer back to my "petty" statement.

Apples and oranges.  Stealing money is different than being accused of stealing customers.

Most banks won't file charges unless it rises to a felony amount stolen.  The bad publicity that comes from employees stealing makes customers wonder if the bank can be trusted.  Too many other banks to choose who are not ripping them off.

I wonder how many hard drives at that company crashed, making it difficult to recover the evidence of their wrongdoing?  People seem to have all kinds of excuses when information goes missing.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2024, 04:41:40 PM »
Gangstas run our state government
No wonder they want to take away our guns so bad

https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2024-02-29/kaneshiro-trial-department-of-justice-investigation-judge-seabright
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Kuleana

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2024, 01:45:03 PM »
Gangstas run our state government
And some people wonder why Aboriginal Hawaiians want and work for the deoccupation and restoration of their nation state from the US empire.

hvybarrels

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2024, 01:46:11 PM »
And some people wonder why Aboriginal Hawaiians want and work for the deoccupation and restoration of their nation state from the US empire.

You just want a different set of gangsters to run things
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Kuleana

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2024, 02:12:50 PM »
You just want a different set of gangsters to run things
Don't want any gangsters running anything.

The only hope for anything pono is for everything to start over.  For starters in Hawaii, it's the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state that incorporates the ideals of democracy applied to modern models of government that keeps the intergenerational/international wealthy out of government.

For starters of the former American republic, it's the dissolution of the US empire and perhaps the creation of a new nation state similar to the EU where it is a loose federation of sovereign states each practicing its own likeminded politics.

ren

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #59 on: June 08, 2024, 02:33:42 PM »
Don't want any gangsters running anything.

The only hope for anything pono is for everything to start over.  For starters in Hawaii, it's the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state that incorporates the ideals of democracy applied to modern models of government that keeps the intergenerational/international wealthy out of government.

For starters of the former American republic, it's the dissolution of the US empire and perhaps the creation of a new nation state similar to the EU where it is a loose federation of sovereign states each practicing its own likeminded politics.

Is that your vision for Hawaii?

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