kaneshiro "not guilty" (Read 10509 times)

Kuleana

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2024, 08:48:04 PM »
The US is unique historically in that anyone born into low class circumstances has the opportunity to advance into a better circumstance.

I don't remember hearing that Obama was born into the elite upper class.  He got there through the opportunities available to us all.
Not true at all.

Obama went arguably to the best exclusive private school in Hawaii especially during that time period, Punahou.

Not as clear cut as in the past, but only the elites were mostly allowed to send their children to that school during Obama's generation.

macsak

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2024, 09:00:51 PM »
ONLY were MOSTLY allowed???

Not true at all.

Obama went arguably to the best exclusive private school in Hawaii especially during that time period, Punahou.

Not as clear cut as in the past, but only the elites were mostly allowed to send their children to that school during Obama's generation.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2024, 09:08:36 PM »
Not true at all.

Obama went arguably to the best exclusive private school in Hawaii especially during that time period, Punahou.

Not as clear cut as in the past, but only the elites were mostly allowed to send their children to that school during Obama's generation.

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He attended Punahou School—a private college preparatory school—with the aid of a
scholarship from fifth grade until he graduated from high school in 1979.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

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Of course, young Obama was not rich. He was a scholarship student. He worked at a
Baskin-Robbins ice cream shop. It's still there, near the school. So is the apartment
building where he lived with his grandparents.
https://www.npr.org/2012/10/13/162786014/hawaii-prep-school-gave-obama-window-to-success

Not everyone who attended Punahou was given a free ride by rich parents. 

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After graduating from high school in 1979, Obama moved to Los Angeles to attend
Occidental College on a full scholarship.

Hmmm.  Another scholarship?  I guess he did the work in high school to compete for that, huh?

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Despite being offered a full scholarship to Northwestern University School of Law, Obama
enrolled at Harvard Law School in the fall of 1988, living in nearby Somerville, Massachusetts.

Offered ANOTHER full scholarship?  Wow!  No opportunities there at all.

It doesn't matter if he was from a rich family or poor.  What matters is he did well enough in school in Hawaii to compete for scholarships at mainland colleges and universities.

I'm not a fan of his obviously, but he didn't get those financial opportunities to continue his education because he was privileged.

I'm an example, too.  Full 4-year scholarship to college from a poor, broken home.  All because of opportunities offered on merit, not class.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2024, 09:11:12 PM »
as opposed to your pure speculation and native hawaiian propaganda?

Pure speculation and US imperial propaganda.

hvybarrels

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2024, 11:13:04 PM »
as opposed to your pure speculation and native hawaiian propaganda?

I don't think that even counts as propaganda. It's more like historical fan fiction.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Kuleana

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2024, 07:10:26 AM »
as opposed to your pure speculation and native hawaiian propaganda?
How do you justify your trolling criticism on my position on the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state if and when the US empire collapses?

Kuleana

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2024, 07:19:33 AM »
I don't think that even counts as propaganda. It's more like historical fan fiction.
Fan fiction?

Believing the US empire will not collapse due to its ever-growing national debt; goading the free nations of the World into WWIII; loss of petrodollar control; destroying pipelines to keep its vassal states from joining BRICS; open borders allowing the illegal immigrants, drug cartels, etc. free entry; woke education for its youth as we could go on and on with this list sounds more like fan fiction to me.

macsak

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2024, 07:34:35 AM »
i am not trolling nor criticizing your position
merely pointing out the hypocrisy...

#veryastute

How do you justify your trolling criticism on my position on the restoration of the Hawaiian nation state if and when the US empire collapses?

QUIETShooter

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2024, 07:45:18 AM »
What going happen to all us non-hawaiians when the US collapses?

Do I have to pack up a move out of privileged Mililani Mauka?

Do we non hawaiians have to migrate to Nevada while all the Hawaiians migrate back to Hawaii?

Trading places, lol!

Hope y'all realize I say this beef tongue in pig cheek. :rofl:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2024, 07:45:59 AM »
Not everyone who attended Punahou was given a free ride by rich parents.
Punahou historically has been a college prep school almost exclusively attended by the children of Hawaii's elite families.  Although I have no reason to doubt that Punahou's student body had some students of modest socio-economic backgrounds over its past history, that still was not the norm.  Obama's parents were certainly not part of the elite families living on Oahu, but he was definitely not part of the common or poorer class families that lived in Waipahu, Kalihi, Waianae, etc.



Hmmm.  Another scholarship?  I guess he did the work in high school to compete for that, huh?

Offered ANOTHER full scholarship?  Wow!  No opportunities there at all.
Scholarships or chump change?

If you call getting chump change as receiving a scholarship, I guess you could argue that he got an opportunity.  However, as you yourself pointed out Obama having to work to help supplement his tuition costs, that scholarship definitely did not provide a full ride.

Kuleana

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2024, 07:46:48 AM »
merely pointing out the hypocrisy...
Please show me the hypocrisy point for point.

macsak

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2024, 07:57:15 AM »
"Once it does the Hawaiian nation state is restored de facto" is as much speculation as "You realize that once Uncle Sam leaves Hawaii, Uncles Vlad and Xi will be perfectly happy to take Hawaii into protective custody.
Hawaii will become a "Protectorate" and dissidents will be whisked away to re-education/slave labor camps."


Please show me the hypocrisy point for point.

astroboy

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2024, 08:17:46 AM »
Pure speculation and US imperial propaganda.

I think you are more worried about how much better Hawaii will be when it returns to being the free and neutral nation that it was before the illegal annexation by the US empire that screwed all the Hawaiians over.


Having those Russian forts dismantled might have been a good idea, but not having any Russian presence was certainly a bad one.

Had the Hawaiian Kingdom maintained a strong diplomatic relationship with Russia, the illegal annexation of Hawaii by the US empire might have not taken place.


You make to many assumptions about me and the issues at hand.
It sounds like pure speculation and Russian disinformation.

QUIETShooter

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2024, 08:25:59 AM »
Will there be opportunities for non-hawaiians in Sovereign Hawaii? ;)
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

drck1000

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2024, 08:35:00 AM »
Pure speculation and US imperial propaganda.

I think you are more worried about how much better Hawaii will be when it returns to being the free and neutral nation that it was before the illegal annexation by the US empire that screwed all the Hawaiians over.

What makes your speculation more "truth" or less propaganda?  I agree with astro and frankly is reality.  Speaking for myself, I'm not worried about any neutral nation or restoration prior to illegal annexation.   

Flapp_Jackson

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2024, 10:25:40 AM »
Punahou historically has been a college prep school almost exclusively attended by the children of Hawaii's elite families.  Although I have no reason to doubt that Punahou's student body had some students of modest socio-economic backgrounds over its past history, that still was not the norm.  Obama's parents were certainly not part of the elite families living on Oahu, but he was definitely not part of the common or poorer class families that lived in Waipahu, Kalihi, Waianae, etc.


Scholarships or chump change?

If you call getting chump change as receiving a scholarship, I guess you could argue that he got an opportunity.  However, as you yourself pointed out Obama having to work to help supplement his tuition costs, that scholarship definitely did not provide a full ride.

You're moving goal posts on me.  When did I say Obama was poor when he attended school on Oahu?  He was solidly middle class from what i read. 

I never once said every individual is afforded the same path to reach their goals.  The "norm" is you have to compete to attend the better schools.  Not everyone qualifies nor completes their education in the top schools.  Those not selected for a scholarship and who can't afford it on their own dime will find a different path.

I know many who enlisted in the Air Force and applied for acceptance into educational programs.  Some were able to go to college full time on USAF money if they completed the first 2 years on their own -- most using their GI educational benefits which paid for tuition.  That meant going to class at night or on weekends, or perhaps taking the classes online.

Some were able to get their Associate's Degree, then finished their BA/BS requirements using GI benefits.

I was able to pay only 20% of in-state tuition rates at Old Dominion in VA.  Benefits were less for officers.  That was for graduate classes to get an MBA.

As for Punahou, you said it's a college prep school.  Isn't that true of all secondary schools?  My public county high school offered college prep classes.  For example, if you took a year of history, the curriculum was divided into 4 quarters.  In my Russian history class, we studied the Russian Revolution, the Cold War, 100 years of Czars/rulers, and Russian government.  Same class format for English literature and Social Studies.

It's true that some schools are tailored to educating potential Ivy League Applicants.  That speaks more to the school, not the individual attendees.  i'm sure they offered many scholarships to students not already in private schools to provide ..... what's that word again?    Opportunities?

You can keep trying to pretend that our institutions only cater to the elite and wealthy, and you'd be wrong.

The end result will always be the same:  if you make good choices, excel in your classes, and have a well-rounded extracurricular life, you might not become President or the CEO of a major hedge fund, but you can better your position and have a better situation financially and socially than you likely would have otherwise.

I'm not discounting raw talent or physical ability either.  Those who rise to the top in sports or entertainment had the characteristics to work hard at their craft so they were prepared to take the opportunities that were offered to them.  But, that is actually not the norm.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2024, 11:44:56 AM »
Someone (aka Pan Pacific ethno Poly propagandist) got mad squabbles with Punahou. Probabky because Punahou has better academic than Kamehameha schools.
Anyways as always how does this all relate to the Kaneshiro trial?
« Last Edit: May 21, 2024, 12:07:17 PM by ren »
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hvybarrels

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2024, 12:27:32 PM »
Someone (aka Pan Pacific ethno Poly propagandist) got mad squabbles with Punahou. Probabky because Punahou has better academic than Kamehameha schools.
Anyways as always how does this all relate to the Kaneshiro trial?

Which would you rather have? A corrupt justice system run by wannabe Yakuza or commie mokes?
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2024, 01:05:29 PM »
Someone (aka Pan Pacific ethno Poly propagandist) got mad squabbles with Punahou. Probabky because Punahou has better academic than Kamehameha schools.
Anyways as always how does this all relate to the Kaneshiro trial?

Easy question ...

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=53546.msg481469#msg481469
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: kaneshiro "not guilty"
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2024, 01:16:40 PM »
Which would you rather have? A corrupt justice system run by wannabe Yakuza or commie mokes?
Local yakuza wannabes?  Or actual/traditional yakuza?

[rhetorical, or course]