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DocMercy

Turd World Power
« on: May 19, 2024, 07:10:06 AM »
Very poor acknowledgement to one of the last big power outages on Oahu:

https://x.com/HwnElectric/status/1792104184545738902

From a cursory read, it appears to have started in Mililani at around 11:15 PM Saturday May 18, 2024. It hit my neighborhood around midnight. My security cam shows a black hole ending at 3:43 AM on Sunday. I estimate 100K customers experienced the blackout, based on the fact that it struck town. Uganda has a better power grid. As usual, the HECO employees monitoring X (Twitter) posted few updates before and after the outage.

Anyone have ideas on how to set up a hospital grade backup power system? It needs to support either a freezer or refrigerator for several days. MRE and dry foods are only a partial solution. Real men like pizza, frozen or refrigerated. Cold beer is a must. Is dry ice (CO2) viable? I think Thermoelectric refrigerators can work at 12 V, but what's hospital grade?

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macsak

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2024, 12:18:22 PM »
not "hospital grade"
but actually pretty cheap
you'd need to get a tank and fill it...

https://www.homedepot.com/s/whole%20home%20generator?NCNI-5
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hvybarrels

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2024, 02:01:49 PM »
Hey how come my power is always going out?

Hey how come my money isn't worth anything?

Hey how come so many of my friends and family are mysteriously getting rare diseases and dying over the past 3 years?




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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2024, 02:16:09 PM »
Quote from: DocMercy on May 19, 2024, 07:10:06 AM
Very poor acknowledgement to one of the last big power outages on Oahu:

https://x.com/HwnElectric/status/1792104184545738902

From a cursory read, it appears to have started in Mililani at around 11:15 PM Saturday May 18, 2024. It hit my neighborhood around midnight. My security cam shows a black hole ending at 3:43 AM on Sunday. I estimate 100K customers experienced the blackout, based on the fact that it struck town. Uganda has a better power grid. As usual, the HECO employees monitoring X (Twitter) posted few updates before and after the outage.

Anyone have ideas on how to set up a hospital grade backup power system? It needs to support either a freezer or refrigerator for several days. MRE and dry foods are only a partial solution. Real men like pizza, frozen or refrigerated. Cold beer is a must. Is dry ice (CO2) viable? I think Thermoelectric refrigerators can work at 12 V, but what's hospital grade?

According to my RAID's log, it went on UPS battery at 08:00:05 and went back on AC power at 08:00:10 this morning.

To me, 5 seconds is in the category of a Brown Out.

I guess I was in the lucky part of Mililani...this time.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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QUIETShooter

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2024, 02:33:53 PM »
Going be one real circus when the real sh*t hits the fan.  Oahu people not prepared mentally and otherwise to deal with the trauma.

Lots of people will be running around like chickens without heads.

Still remember the news clip of the Walmart sale long long ago when spam was advertised by the case.  The big bruddah fighting off the old feeble asian woman. :rofl:
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groveler

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2024, 09:25:46 PM »
It is not "turd world power"
it is what Hawaii voted for,
Democrat power.
Enjoy the "suck".
 :wave:
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Eric808

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2024, 10:48:30 AM »
The 5 second outage messed up my routers, I was getting "password error" message.  I had to reset (used a bent paper clip to push the button in the hole on the back of my routers) and then re-setup my routers.  My admin password was not work.  Also did the firmware updates.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2024, 11:05:39 AM »
Quote from: Eric808 on May 20, 2024, 10:48:30 AM
The 5 second outage messed up my routers, I was getting "password error" message.  I had to reset (used a bent paper clip to push the button in the hole on the back of my routers) and then re-setup my routers.  My admin password was not work.  Also did the firmware updates.

All my computer and network devices are on battery UPS.  Even a brown out which is a drop in voltage can hurt electronics.  The 5 second outage reset the clocks on my range and microwave, but all the computing hardware kept on trucking.

If the power drop damaged any of your electronics, you can file a claim with HECO.

I had a microwave fry itself after the 14 hour power outage that following the 2006 earthquake.  I didn't file a claim since the microwave was purchased from Sears in 1984.  The depreciation on a 22 year old microwave would have likely been 100%.  Most insurance claims I filed for electronics reduced the replacement cost by 10% per year.  I'm not too sad.  We definitely got our money's worth out of it.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2024, 11:34:37 AM »
Why does it have to be hospital grade? Is this some kind of lingo in the prep culture?

When we're in Vegas and I'm watching their TV in the mornings, I saw a commercial about a battery for events like this.  It's the size of a bathtub and cost about $8K. Their claim is it can run your home fully for like 12 hours (lights on , TV running, etc...) like there was no outage. And even longer if it's just running the essentials.

I don't recall if hospital or medical grade was a term they ever used in the commercial.

I ask about the hospital grade cause if it is a term, then it matters. Like medical grade surgical mask. If you've ever held one vs the stuff they sell at Walmart, there's a huge difference. 
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ren

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2024, 11:43:23 AM »
Pure sine wave, conditioned power...
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2024, 12:39:51 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on May 20, 2024, 11:34:37 AM
Why does it have to be hospital grade? Is this some kind of lingo in the prep culture?

When we're in Vegas and I'm watching their TV in the mornings, I saw a commercial about a battery for events like this.  It's the size of a bathtub and cost about $8K. Their claim is it can run your home fully for like 12 hours (lights on , TV running, etc...) like there was no outage. And even longer if it's just running the essentials.

I don't recall if hospital or medical grade was a term they ever used in the commercial.

I ask about the hospital grade cause if it is a term, then it matters. Like medical grade surgical mask. If you've ever held one vs the stuff they sell at Walmart, there's a huge difference.

https://www.mtu-solutions.com/content/dam/mtu/download/technical-articles/21162_Joint_Commission_TA.pdf/_jcr_content/renditions/original./21162_Joint_Commission_TA.pdf
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2024, 12:54:34 PM »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2024, 02:42:51 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on May 20, 2024, 12:54:34 PM
Wouldn't this just be stuff that a prepper who buys a power supply has common sense to do?  Like PMCS stuff.

I can't speak for all preppers, but anyone who knows about power quality/reliability and electronics should already know to have at least a basic UPS attached.  Most modern UPS units not only provide uninterruptible power for a short-ish time -- enough to do a graceful shutdown and avoid crashes or power spikes -- but most also provide surge protection.  The better ones also condition the power coming into it so it maintains safe parameters, as Ren eluded to with pure sine and conditioning.

The nice thing about smart phones, tablets, laptops and other devices with rechargeable batteries is they have their own battery backup built in.  If a prepper intends to use only mobile electronics, then a standalone UPS would be mainly useful for stationary radios, televisions, etc, or to avoid being totally out of recharging capability if the power is out for days without access to a generator.

If you want to protect a microwave oven or other appliances that don't need constant power, just use a quality surge protector.


Automatic Voltage Regulation (AVR):
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instantly corrects low/high voltage fluctuations without discharging the
battery, and is Active PFC compatible
Active Power Factor Correction (Active PFC): 
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For any power supply design over 100W, the preferable type of PFC is
Active Power Factor Correction (Active PFC) since it provides a lighter
and more efficient power factor control.  Active PFC is comprised of a
switching regulator operating at a high switching frequency, being able
to generate a theoretical power factor of over 95%. Active Power Factor
Correction automatically corrects for AC input voltage, and is capable of
a wide range of input voltage.
https://www.nuvation.com/resources/article/power-supply-design-basics-active-power-factor-correction


https://www.amazon.com/APC-Protector-BR1500MS2-Back-UPS-Uninterruptible-dp-B08GRY1W93/dp/B08GRY1W93/ref=dp_ob_title_ce?th=1

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RWMLKFM/ref=vp_d_pb_TIER1_pbxcovv3_lp_B08GRY1W93_pd?_encoding=UTF8&pf_rd_p=8111866b-530a-4a2c-9216-c619c1c774f8&pf_rd_r=9MJ347C4K0FC88ATNWZ2&pd_rd_wg=Hr9WU&pd_rd_i=B07RWMLKFM&pd_rd_w=XUQA0&content-id=amzn1.sym.8111866b-530a-4a2c-9216-c619c1c774f8&pd_rd_r=b496ab19-76ca-45f5-8112-b1ee9549509a&th=1
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2024, 10:08:29 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on May 20, 2024, 02:42:51 PM
I can't speak for all preppers, but anyone who knows about power quality/reliability and electronics should already know to have at least a basic UPS attached.

My cat got mad at me for not changing the littler box and pissed on my phone charging cable. Lucky for me it was connected to a UPS which sensed the short and shut itself off, literally saving my office from burning down.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2024, 12:11:10 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on May 20, 2024, 10:08:29 PM
My cat got mad at me for not changing the littler box and pissed on my phone charging cable. Lucky for me it was connected to a UPS which sensed the short and shut itself off, literally saving my office from burning down.

I bet the litter box stays cleaner now!

 :geekdanc: :rofl:
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Turd World Power
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2024, 04:42:06 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on May 21, 2024, 12:11:10 AM
I bet the litter box stays cleaner now!

 :geekdanc: :rofl:

We all know who the real boss is

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