Does anyone know the purpose of loading only 5 rounds in the magazine at kokohead?

Jones

I was told in case there's a run away gun, the muzzle won't climb towards the hikers.

I was told in case there's a run away gun, the muzzle won't climb towards the hikers.

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Or yourself...or the guy next to you

I guess to keep things simple this applies to revolvers and bolt action scout type rifles also.

The only justification I can think of -- which doesn't stray into the very unlikely category (runaway guns firing on their own) -- is to facilitate cease fires.

For safety, it's better to let someone empty a mag or cylinder of all live rounds before clearing it.  So, when a cease fire is called, you should completely fire all loaded rounds and only then clear the gun before stepping away from the line.

Having 5 rounds loaded restricts the amount of time it will take to fire all rounds.

A rule won't stop someone intending to go postal at the range from loading as many rounds as the gun will hold or having as many loaded guns as they can carry.

If 5 rounds in a malfunctioning gun is "safer", why not limit it to 3 rds per reload?  or 1 rd?  I can't see the logic given the rarity of a runaway malfunction happening.  Keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction downrange should suffice if that happens.  Sounds like a compromise between a '"what if" which may never happen' and 'making a range visit useless' in terms of effective practice. 

It's cause those who make the rules hate the 2a. 

The only justification I can think of -- which doesn't stray into the very unlikely category (runaway guns firing on their own) -- is to facilitate cease fires.

It probably happens more than you think.  Considering about 50,000 people a year that use the public side ranges.  Consider they types of guns being shot.  Bad modifications.  Rusty gun left In a closet for 30 years.  Antique guns.   Not correctly assembled.  Then the type of people shooting guns to include never touched a gun before or shoot my gun once every few years.

I guess to keep things simple this applies to revolvers and bolt action scout type rifles also.

Doesn't apply to revolvers.  I'm guessing it doesn't apply to bolt or lever guns,  gotta confirm with the RSO.

It probably happens more than you think.  Considering about 50,000 people a year that use the public side ranges.  Consider they types of guns being shot.  Bad modifications.  Rusty gun left In a closet for 30 years.  Antique guns.   Not correctly assembled.  Then the type of people shooting guns to include never touched a gun before or shoot my gun once every few years.

Most common cause I've seen reported online is a soft primer being struck by the firing pin when cycled into battery.  Brass ejects, next live round gets loaded, bolt slams forward, pin contacts primer.  That's plausible especially if the headspace is wrong.  In a semi-auto, this could cause a continuous firing scenario.

Maybe a better rule would be to load one round, then two, all the way to 5 until you've function tested a rusted, antique or homebuilt firearm ... or even a factory new firearm you've never used.  When it's shown to be safe, then load up to the legal 10.

Simply making all properly functioning guns follow the same rules intended for malfunctioning guns is not justified IMO if you have rules in place that make more sense.

Doesn't apply to revolvers.  I'm guessing it doesn't apply to bolt or lever guns,  gotta confirm with the RSO.

It does apply to revolvers.  I was told by a RSO that he counted six shots from my revolver.  He reminded me of the five round rule.

It does apply to revolvers.  I was told by a RSO that he counted six shots from my revolver.  He reminded me of the five round rule.

That goes completely against the whole "to prevent slam fire repetitious discharges in a malfunctioning semi auto" theory, huh?

More evidence that this justification is bogus since they apply it to every firearm.

Apparently this malfunction problem only exists on the pistol and rifle range, since you can have more rounds loaded at the Silly Side and Action Bays.

Safety?  Right.

I swear I remember an old, dilapidated, bust up sign stating revolvers were exempt.

But now that they make revolvers that can hold 7, 8, and 10 rds in the cylinder, I'd bet they took that sign down.

Yeah, PITA to cowboy load 5 rounds in a SA revolver.

exception is an M1 Garand because it uses CLIPS

It does apply to revolvers.  I was told by a RSO that he counted six shots from my revolver.  He reminded me of the five round rule.

The past RSOs said revolvers are not.included as they don't have a magazine.  Just get clarification from the supervisor as there are a lot of new RSOs now.

The past RSOs said revolvers are not.included as they don't have a magazine.  Just get clarification from the supervisor as there are a lot of new RSOs now.

This was from an old-timer RSO that I know.

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This is one of the many issues surrounding the range that tells me there's nobody in charge of it who really cares.

if they did, all the rules, FAQs, and other useful info would be posted online and updated as soon as there are changes.

Communication is lacking, you might say.  Why is it necessary for everyone with the same question to ask a different RSO when they could more easily find the answer on a webpage?

I thought technology would save the human race.  Seems to be good for entertainment purposes only when it comes to government-run organizations.

just a few weeks ago a RSO told me can load 6 with a revolver. all these years I just assumed it was 5
I forgot to ask about my 7 and 8 shot revolvers. next time I'll ask

a few years ago on rifle side I overheard a conversation between a guy and a RSO
guy asked why can only shoot 5?
RSO said it doesn't matter why. that's the rule 
that's good enuff reason for me

This is one of the many issues surrounding the range that tells me there's nobody in charge of it who really cares.

if they did, all the rules, FAQs, and other useful info would be posted online and updated as soon as there are changes.

Communication is lacking, you might say.  Why is it necessary for everyone with the same question to ask a different RSO when they could more easily find the answer on a webpage?

I thought technology would save the human race.  Seems to be good for entertainment purposes only when it comes to government-run organizations.

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I don't know if this is very current. It looks pretty current.
https://www.honolulu.gov/cms-dpr-menu/site-dpr-sitearticles/38579-koko-head-shooting-complex.html

a few years ago on rifle side I overheard a conversation between a guy and a RSO
guy asked why can only shoot 5?
RSO said it doesn't matter why. that's the rule 
that's good enuff reason for me

My gut tells me most of the rules are exactly that:  Because we said so.

Too bad the bad rules are mingled in with those that actually do increase safety.  Makes range goers less likely to follow the rules if so many make no sense.