Kharl Rhoads at it again (Read 1336 times)

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zippz

Re: Kharl Rhoads at it again
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2024, 12:45:18 PM »
This answers doesn't sound like Rhoads, it's very mild and mostly just states what happened.

One issue I have is with the reporter who wrote this.  Implying the knife murder was done with a gun.

 "In Hawaii, an average of 22 people die by gun homicide and who can forget the most recent murder suicides especially that whole family in Manoa. "

macsak

Re: Kharl Rhoads at it again
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2024, 01:02:10 PM »
i don't remember seeing 1000 cases in the vegas hotel room...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kharl Rhoads at it again
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2024, 01:47:39 PM »
This answers doesn't sound like Rhoads, it's very mild and mostly just states what happened.

One issue I have is with the reporter who wrote this.  Implying the knife murder was done with a gun.

 "In Hawaii, an average of 22 people die by gun homicide and who can forget the most recent murder suicides especially that whole family in Manoa. "

In 2023, 7 of the reported 18 "gun homicides" were deaths involving law enforcement (i.e. killed by cops).  One died after being tasered.

Also, according to this article, there were 18 deaths in 2023, 14 in 2022 & 14 in 2021.  2018 represents the PEAK number at 20 deaths.

First point: homicides include deaths at the hands of LE.  Are we including cops when we talk about taking guns off the streets?  if not, we need to talk about the non-LE-involved deaths alone -- subtract the LE homicides.

Second point: It's been a really long time since elementary school math class, but I seem to remember averages have to appear somewhere above the minimum value in the series and below the maximum value.  How do we get an average of 22 people when the "peak" count was 20 -- in 2018?

I guess those are just unimportant details when the point is "guns are bad.'

Not to pile on top of cops anymore than is appropriate, 2 of the 7 LE-involved homicides in 2023 were self-inflicted gunshots while engaged with law enforcement.  So, yes, gun deaths.  But, no, not killed by cops directly.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/01/gun-violence-remains-a-consistent-problem-in-hawaii/

It's amazing how the issue is not as simple as the gun controllers want to make it out to be once you examine ALL the details of each individual incident.

Never use facts to argue a point when statistics can provide better support for your position.  i've argued this on here before.  Statistics are NOT facts.  They are a mathematical representation of the facts provided for a population (group) based on predetermined criteria showing how many in the group satisfy those criteria. 

More often than not, the population is merely a statistical sample that's extrapolated to represent the entire population being studied.  1,000 voters' responses may be representing 150 million voters' opinions.  Those results are not 'facts'.  They are estimates -- i.e. guesses.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2024, 02:08:05 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: Kharl Rhoads at it again
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2024, 03:56:13 PM »
That's a good point with the LE deaths being included.
there's probably some self defense included in the numbers.  Like The Waianae Toloke shooting with an AR-15 in 2022 or ewa neighborhood shooting against a knife wielder in 2019.  Think there's been a couple more in recent years.

I'm surprised they didn't throw in suicides in the total as is typical in the media.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kharl Rhoads at it again
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2024, 04:06:33 PM »
That's a good point with the LE deaths being included.
there's probably some self defense included in the numbers.  Like The Waianae Toloke shooting with an AR-15 in 2022 or ewa neighborhood shooting against a knife wielder in 2019.  Think there's been a couple more in recent years.

I'm surprised they didn't throw in suicides in the total as is typical in the media.

I'm betting that the anti-gun zealots finally realized they can no longer lie to the public by inflating numbers using suicide figures -- particularly when 60% of "gun deaths" are suicides.  Really throws ice water on their narrative when people have been able to read the facts for themselves instead of blindly following TV and radio programs.

The facts have been available for decades, and I think most people now see these stats-based arguments for what they are:  manipulation.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: Kharl Rhoads at it again
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2024, 04:15:29 PM »
The video goes into more detail that's not in the written article.  But still tame by Rhoads standards.

He and the reporter keep going over gun owners are the minority and the majority want gun control laws.  There has to be a public campaign saying rights protect the minority from the majority.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kharl Rhoads at it again
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2024, 04:21:17 PM »
The video goes into more detail that's not in the written article.  But still tame by Rhoads standards.

He and the reporter keep going over gun owners are the minority and the majority want gun control laws.  There has to be a public campaign saying rights protect the minority from the majority.

Not only that, but I don't remember ever being asked my opinion on anything resembling that question.

My answer has always been, they can't or won't enforce the laws we already have.  What good will more laws do us?

That position was voiced in exactly those terms in the hearing lead by VP Biden in his role as Obama's point man to find actionable solutions following Sandy Hook.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Kharl Rhoads at it again
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2024, 04:59:43 PM »
i don't remember seeing 1000 cases in the vegas hotel room...

Not everything is a conspiracy.

macsak

Re: Kharl Rhoads at it again
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2024, 05:02:42 PM »

hvybarrels

Re: Kharl Rhoads at it again
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2024, 04:23:50 AM »
Not everything is a conspiracy.

These days more often than not
The F in Communism stands for Food

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Kharl Rhoads at it again
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2024, 11:35:07 AM »
These days more often than not

i think I need to get some more conspiracy theories.  All the ones I used to have came true.

 :popcorn:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw