Koa Services (Read 36908 times)

Dregs

Re: Koa Services
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2011, 07:04:41 PM »

I had no idea that this situation was so volitile....I initially asked because if there was any chance of using the range I wanted to investigate what was necessary. But, I think this presents a unique "learning opportunity." As many here will attest, I am all about "us" sticking together. I think some of the "differences" here could have been eliminated or greatly minimized if we had discussed this soon after the event and worked thru a solution. A solution that well may have included LIFE not using the range. That would have been OK if it resulted in the continued good working relationship between the clubs. The bottom line is that I think we could have solved this if we had just talked to each other. And, that is what I am suggesting. If there are any lingering doubts that LIFE did not use an improper caliber, or scenarios, or talked to the wrong guys in setting up the event, let me know. I would be happy to discuss this further to make sure it is resolved amicably and in a manner that restores a good working relationship. I appreciate your help and information.

Aloha

+1   :thumbsup:

Communication is key to any relationship. Especially for a small tight-knit group like the shooting community in Hawaii. For the community's sake, I hope you guys work it out. :shaka:

Teichi

Re: Koa Services
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2011, 08:20:18 PM »
Any organization may petition the club to sponsor events, but it must be non-profit, safe and Marine Corps approved. 

Like I stated earlier. 3 criteria - non-profit, safe and Marine Corps approved. We could even host a fishing tournament as long as we have a mandated safety brief, a safety boat, life guard and rescue divers. As long as we are in compliance with Marine Corps Order 3570.1B.

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Re: Koa Services
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2011, 08:49:54 PM »
Can you send me a copy of that order Teichi;  Chris@Hawaiidefensefoundation.org.  I want to see if it is the same as the other thing I looked at.
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Teichi

Re: Koa Services
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2011, 09:07:25 PM »
http://www.mwtc.usmc.mil/RangeControl/Range%20Ops/MCO%203570.1B.pdf
http://www.mcbh.usmc.mil/g1/adjutant/Borders.htm

Here are the links that you can get to. If you need help translating militarese, LMK.

GZire

Re: Koa Services
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2011, 08:34:53 AM »
Settling back to the original topic of Koa Services.....

I do not recommend their services if you are a combat arms service member - Seek training through your command chain.

We had some laughs with the instructor biographies - Some of us know them personally and know their history.

Who would you suggest locally?

For out of state CCW permit, I wouldn't recommend any local instructors. I would travel to the state that I wish to carry in and find a reputable instructor there.
Thanks for the input.  So no one you'd consider for any training locally (in general not necessarily CCW related)?

CRAM1903

Re: Koa Services
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2011, 10:52:54 AM »
Gentleman,
I think I need to remind everyone here that RTF Puuloa is a MILITARY training facility, thus use of the range is a privilege, NOT A RIGHT!!!  Their primary mission is to conduct small arms training/qualification for Marines, soldiers, sailors and airman for deployment, NOT hosting civilian training courses or recreational shooting.  Keep in mind that as far the military is concerned; anything else is secondary to that mission.  The Puuloa Rifle & Pistol Club is officially organized under the USMC MWR (Morale Welfare & Recreation) program and is therefore subject to USMC rules and regulations.  The PRPC does not dictate in any way shape or form who has access to the range, we simply are tenants/guests and as such we follow their rules & regulations to the letter.  I have attended some of the previously mentioned courses (including Chuck Taylor & Gabe Suarez) both as a civilian participant and in my official capacity as a LEO firearms trainer and I enjoyed the training immensely.  At the time, I was a rank & file member of the PRPC club and thus had no knowledge of the details surrounding those events.  Later in the year, I was elected as the club president and after assuming my new role, I was astonished to find out that the club was not only under suspension but was in fact on the verge of disbandment by the USMC.  The facts are that the club had been mismanaged and the classes brought in were never approved by the G-3 as a sanctioned club activity, as per USMC rules.  The PRPC members who organized the events with LIFE failed to follow proper procedure and did so on their own without the PRPC's membership’s knowledge.  Under my direction, the newly elected club officers met with USMC range officials and discussed what needed to be done to correct the situation.  During the course of the discussions, we agreed to reorganize the club and manage it per our own bylaws & in accordance with USMC/MCBH rules and regulations.  So there it is folks; it was either change the way we do business or face being disbanded.  I personally agree with the changes that we've instituted and the way the club has been realigned with the bases military training mission.  We support that mission by hosting high power rifle matches/clinics that are open to both civilian and military shooters as well as providing assistance with military small arms qualifications by providing volunteer coaching and instruction.  Aside from traditional high power rifle shooting, we also host NRA F-Class shooting (precision/scoped rifles) and eventually it is my goal to introduce both combat type pistol and rifle disciplines to the club as well.  Civilian shooters are always welcome to attend PRPC events and we especially welcome military members (active/retired/NG/Reserve) and civilian LEO's.  Club membership for non military ID card holders is limited however there is a wait list that is based on participation.  There is been a lot of misinformation being spread by people who know nothing about our club or the details that nearly brought about its demise.  I can assure you that the incident regarding the 7.62 x 54 shell casing after the last class hosted by the old regime was merely the straw that broke the camels back and had nothing to do with our clubs realignment.   The PRPC looks forward to working with LIFE or any other local shooting organization with the common goal of promoting marksmanship skills, firearms safety and sportsmanship.  I think its time we lay this whole issue to rest once and for all and move on.  Anyone wishing to discuss this matter further can email/PM me and I'll be glad to answer any questions or concerns you may have. 

Mahalo     
« Last Edit: July 18, 2011, 10:55:42 AM by CRAM1903 »

Teichi

Re: Koa Services
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2011, 11:49:35 AM »
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For out of state CCW permit, I wouldn't recommend any local instructors. I would travel to the state that I wish to carry in and find a reputable instructor there.
Thanks for the input.  So no one you'd consider for any training locally (in general not necessarily CCW related)?
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http://khscinfo.kawamaekreations.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=101

What kind of shooting are you trying to do? Are you trying to be the Deadliest Warrior or a good sportsman?

GZire

Re: Koa Services
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2011, 10:16:22 PM »
^^^ha ha ha......no Deadliest Warrior or Top Shot, just general improvement of shooting skills/general firearms knowledge.

Teichi

Re: Koa Services
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2011, 05:26:14 AM »
Hang with the Chinese Gun Club for precision pistol shooting. They know what works and how to work it for  pistol shooting..

HMSSA should be the Sunday of the first full weekend of the month. $5 for match fees, all day shoot and lunch. It's a monthly skill check with a .22 rifle and you can bring handguns for the plinking side. You can practice combat/speed reload, weak hand drills, multiple target engagement with both revolver, auto pistol, and .22 rifle. Use a brass catcher to keep your brass and watch your language - it's a family range.

Puuloa is a full weekend of shooting in the hot sun. 0645-1500. Calibers are limited to 5.56x45, 7.62x51, 30-06. distances are 200, 300 and 600 for the NMC and 300, 500, 600 for NRA F Class. This is the place to learn long range rifle. The learning curve is steep. Fees are around $30 for non members. Have at least a 100 yard zero if you show up and know to work your sights in minutes of angle.

Koko Head skeet and trap ranges are the places to learn to shoot shotgun. #7-9 shot only. Your can use tactical shotguns, but only load 2 rounds for skeet and single rounds for trap. this teaches you how to shoot and load fast. $5.50 per 25 targets.

Cowboy, IPSC, and the other funny hatters are the clubs to hang out with if you want learn drawing from a holster.

You need to shoot 300-500 rounds a month and practice dry drills daily to get good. Competition is a tool to measure your skill and learn what works.

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Re: Koa Services
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2011, 06:27:48 AM »
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Re: Koa Services
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2011, 06:28:53 AM »
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