cool story, bro...

Not to promote either side of the debate, but this is a nice story.

There was 1 dog in A-stan that met a group of US solders.  They fed the dog and pet/played and then left their AO hours or days later.  The dog followed them over 70 miles to the FOB.  It lost track of them at some point as vehicles drove faster than a dog can run.  The dog showed up 2 or 3 days later at the FOB.

The standing orders are no dogs allowed at the FOB cause dogs there aren't domesticated like how they are in the US.  They even have patrols with shotguns looking for wild dogs in the FOB.  Command allowed this dog to stay and 1 soldier was able to bring him home thru a non-profit that helps soldiers in a warzone bringing animals home.

People say that they helped the dog, but the soldier says that it's the dog that helped the unit (moral).

So if I'm an animal lover, doesn't that make you an animal hater?

You sound like a Liberal debater.  Everything is binary except gender. 

Is it not possible for someone to hold nonemotional opinions about animal behavior and still love animals?

When did I ever give you the impression I don't love -- or like -- animals?

If you eat meat, does that make you an animal hater? 

I guess it depends on whether you love beef, chicken and pork on your plate.

You sound like a Liberal debater.  Everything is binary except gender. 

Is it not possible for someone to hold nonemotional opinions about animal behavior and still love animals?

When did I ever give you the impression I don't love -- or like -- animals?

If you eat meat, does that make you an animal hater? 

I guess it depends on whether you love beef, chicken and pork on your plate.

I'm a pig hunter, but I still respect them and recognize intelligence when I see it.

It's the people who don't respect that intelligence who have a difficult time hunting for some reason.

I'm a pig hunter, but I still respect them and recognize intelligence when I see it.

It's the people who don't respect that intelligence who have a difficult time hunting for some reason.

So, you believe you can respect an animal and take its life to be eaten, while you can simultaneously call yourself an animal lover?

Yet someone you don't agree with regarding animal behavior is an animal hater and somehow ties that to some unstated justification for animal testing?

Focus.

BTW, pigs are number 4 in the list of top 30 intelligent animals.  Based on that and the intelligence of animals as it relates to killing for food, maybe we should be using pigs as domesticated pets and serve up dogs and cats -- if that's what you mean by "I still respect them and recognize intelligence when I see it."

I took that to mean more intelligent animals deserve more respect (i.e. should not be killed) than less intelligent species.

  1.  Humans
  2.  Dolphins
  3.  Ravens
  4.  Pigs
  5.  Chimpanzees
  6.  Elephants
  7.  African Gray Parrots
  8.  Octopuses
  9.  Bonobos
10.  Rats
11.  Pigeons
12.  Crows
13.  Dogs
14.  Cats
15.  Horses
  :     :

https://sentientmedia.org/which-animals-are-most-intelligent/

Thanks for making my argument for me.

Thanks for making my argument for me.

Well, one of us had to.  You seemed to be struggling ....

BTW, pigs are number 4 in the list of top 30 intelligent animals.  Based on that and the intelligence of animals as it relates to killing for food, maybe we should be using pigs as domesticated pets and serve up dogs and cats -- if that's what you mean by "I still respect them and recognize intelligence when I see it."

I took that to mean more intelligent animals deserve more respect (i.e. should not be killed) than less intelligent species.

  1.  Humans
  2.  Dolphins
  3.  Ravens
  4.  Pigs
  5.  Chimpanzees
  6.  Elephants
  7.  African Gray Parrots
  8.  Octopuses
  9.  Bonobos
10.  Rats
11.  Pigeons
12.  Crows
13.  Dogs
14.  Cats
15.  Horses
  :     :

https://sentientmedia.org/which-animals-are-most-intelligent/

Problem, pigs aren't soft like a dog or cat.  Pigs drool more, but so does a St. Bernard.  Their hooves can damage a wooden floor.  I hope no one dehoofs a pig like how people declaw cats.

Problem, pigs aren't soft like a dog or cat.  Pigs drool more, but so does a St. Bernard.  Their hooves can damage a wooden floor.  I hope no one dehoofs a pig like how people declaw cats.

There are breeds of cats and dogs that have just as much hair/fur as pigs, many of them even less.  People still love them.  Some choose them to avoid allergies and shedding all over the house.

Have you ever seen a wooden floor after having a large dog/dogs run, walk, jump and play around on it?  Claws can ruin it as badly as it might be with pig hooves.  Claws make it look like someone scratched millions of swirls on it with a very heavy grit sandpaper.

Problem, pigs aren't soft like a dog or cat.  Pigs drool more, but so does a St. Bernard.  Their hooves can damage a wooden floor.  I hope no one dehoofs a pig like how people declaw cats.

You could literally say anything and he'll argue with you now that I warmed him up 

You could literally say anything and he'll argue with you now that I warmed him up 

Nuh-uh.