It's not self defense if you have to chase the attacker, who is a 65 year old handyman and military vet.  At the beginning from what was reported, the 19 yo was the aggressor, meaning he started the altercation as the man was leaving.

The deceased was unarmed, yet he was beaten in the head with a "large wooden club" knocking him down, was hit him two more times in the head as he lay on the ground, but the victim then goes inside again where he is stabbed to death with a large butcher knife.

When the victim got up, he chased the attacker into the house in an act of retaliation IMO.

That's when the 19 yo stabbed him and called it self defense.

In most states that have a stand your ground law or castle doctrine, the 65 yo would not have to leave the property where he was hired to do work by the mother.  However, when he chased his attacker back inside, the roles reversed.  Now he's the one doing the chasing.

Sorry he was stabbed to death, but he should have gotten up and walked back to his place across the street.  Instead, he chose to continue the fight.

I question the justification of self defense.  Unless the 65 yo was armed inside the residence with a potentially lethal weapon, it was the 19 yo who started the fight using a  large wooden club, and he appears to be the one who escalated to using a lethal weapon.  There might be a question of "reasonable force" if the state laws go that far.

The arresting Cops' reports stated they would not recommend release.  So, at least initially, their impression of the fight lacked justification for using deadly force.

I'm wondering if this is another WA state example of a young black man being treated leniently because the victim is an older white man.

Too bad there were no video cameras recording the actual stabbing.  We only have the 19 yo's account and forensic evidence to know what transpired once they went back inside.

My reading comprehension has gotten worse as reporters have become horrible at writing even simple sentences.  So, I might not have a perfect grasp on the details of the altercation.   

I go off the statements reported in the press -- quotes from those in charge of HPD.

"Do you think it's worth it?"

What are you doing besides posting insults?  Any evidence that contradicts my conclusion? 

I didn't think so.

My statement that you could read minds was obviously sarcastic. It was not an insult BTW, it was a challenge to your assertion.

Do I have evidence that contradicts your conclusion? Aside from numerous anecdotal examples there is the fact that you never proved your assertion. All you did was claim to know what cops were really interested in as if you somehow knew what all cops were interested in.

Here's an interesting self defense story.  Would you arrest on site or not?

Man stabs handyman in their home.  Handyman does jobs at the home.  Man chases handyman and hits him with a bat and stabs him with a knife.  Handyman dies.

https://nypost.com/2024/10/03/us-news/seattle-stabbing-suspect-kshawn-konscience-jimerson-released-by-judge-michelle-gehlsen-27-hours-after-fatal-stabbing/

Yes. You have probable cause to believe he caused the man's death. The fact the man had permission to be there makes it more complicated to evaluate a self defense argument. Under Hawaii's self defense law you also cannot claim self defense if you are the one who started the altercation. I don't know if WA law has a similar stipulation.

My statement that you could read minds was obviously sarcastic. It was not an insult BTW, it was a challenge to your assertion.

Do I have evidence that contradicts your conclusion? Aside from numerous anecdotal examples there is the fact that you never proved your assertion. All you did was claim to know what cops were really interested in as if you somehow knew what all cops were interested in.

Actions indicate intent.  Intent indicates thought process.

It's not mind reading, just rational, deductive reasoning.

I don't need to know someone's exact thoughts to draw the conclusions I made.  Common sense rules.

Actions indicate intent.  Intent indicates thought process.

It's not mind reading, just rational, deductive reasoning.

I don't need to know someone's exact thoughts to draw the conclusions I made.  Common sense rules.

Let me fix it for you.

Actions suggest intent and intent suggests thought process but it is not always so definitive. It is also a pointless assertion to make given you can't support it generally and even if you could generally it wouldn't apply to all officers.

Let me fix it for you.

Actions suggest intent and intent suggests thought process but it is not always so definitive. It is also a pointless assertion to make given you can't support it generally and even if you could generally it wouldn't apply to all officers.

You couldn't fix "See Spot run."

Show me where i said my conclusions were absolutely definitive.  Also show me where i said it's so easy, even the worst Cop can do it?

You couldn't fix "See Spot run."

Show me where i said my conclusions were absolutely definitive.  Also show me where i said it's so easy, even the worst Cop can do it?

You said cops don't care.
You never proved your blanket claim, just said some nonsense about actions and intent.
Now you are upset I called you out . Roll credits

 

You said cops don't care.
You never proved your blanket claim, just said some nonsense about actions and intent.
Now you are upset I called you out . Roll credits

 

i'd have to care about your lame posts to get upset.

Every time you try to lecture us on what we posted and what we meant, you prove once more how desperate you to be right all the time.

It's not a debate when all you do is lecture then get bent out of shape when the lecture isn't received as 100% gospel.

i'd have to care about your lame posts to get upset.

Every time you try to lecture us on what we posted and what we meant, you prove once more how desperate you to be right all the time.

It's not a debate when all you do is lecture then get bent out of shape when the lecture isn't received as 100% gospel.

I am desperate you be right or you are desperate not to be proved wrong?

I am desperate you be right or you are desperate not to be proved wrong?

Are you coming down with word salad disease?

I am desperate you be right or you are desperate not to be proved wrong?

What your statement is saying is no matter the choice, flapp is desperate.  Double edged question. Is this a habit?

What your statement is saying is no matter the choice, flapp is desperate.  Double edged question. Is this a habit?

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