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Savage   

Especially the goat one. . .

i admit i have reservations about using booby-trapped electronics to target terrorists, but in this instance, the number of unintended collateral injuries/deaths was minimal.

There seems to be no effort on the part of the terrorists to avoid civilian casualties when they launch missiles, attack civilians at a concert and blow up buses and cars.

I'm not saying 2 wrongs make a right.  I am saying collateral damage/casualties are a part of warfare.  Show me a single civilian population that was spared death and destruction while their leaders conducted an active war.  Part of the reason we send fighters to foreign soil is to avoid such consequences within our borders.

If they want to avoid civilian injuries on BOTH sides, then they need to stop attacking and killing Israelis! 

Simple.

Any other nation would be sanctioned and hauled before the international criminal court.

Funny how the fake news articles that come up on my feed don't lead with Hezbo, but instead the word "civilians".  You need to read about 2 paragraphs into the articles to finally see the word Hezbo.

Either the fake news didn't know at the time it was a coordinated attack against a terrorist org, or they're protecting Hezbo.  I'm leaning toward the latter.

Funny how the fake news articles that come up on my feed don't lead with Hezbo, but instead the word "civilians".

I did a quick search and am seeing the opposite. The legacy media is overflowing with breathless cheerleader stories celebrating an attack that indiscriminately killed civilians and is clearly a war crime.

If I had a guess as far as the timing it would be that it's looking inevitable that Trump is going to win so they have to start a hot war that keeps their record funding flows going at full steam.

Any other nation would be sanctioned and hauled before the international criminal court.

Please tell us how you expect to target and fight terrorists who hide among civilians, don't wear uniforms, and are responsible for deaths and lifelong injuries to thousands of your own civilians?

Why haven't these "innocent civilians" you cry for risen up to stop the militants who terrorize not just Israel, but the world?

Have you studied unconventional warfare?  Any kind of warfare?

Israel has been ready for a cease fire, but the other side won't stop.

When one side refuses to fight and the other side continues, you have not chosen peace.  You've chosen surrender.

These "innocent civilians".   

My heart breaks for their innocent children, and what these "innocent" adults teach them.

They are the true victims.  It's a vicious cycle.

Please tell us how you expect to target and fight terrorists who hide among civilians, don't wear uniforms, and are responsible for deaths and lifelong injuries to thousands of your own civilians?

Why haven't these "innocent civilians" you cry for risen up to stop the militants who terrorize not just Israel, but the world?

Have you studied unconventional warfare?  Any kind of warfare?

Israel has been ready for a cease fire, but the other side won't stop.

When one side refuses to fight and the other side continues, you have not chosen peace.  You've chosen surrender.

You’re oversimplifying a complex situation in order to fit an agenda by creating false dichotomies and ignoring a long history of war crimes on both sides.

This operation in particular was a major strategic blunder. Not only do their neighbors hate them now, but so does the rest of the world.

Hopefully they all learn how to swim before the dollar collapses and we can no longer afford to be their sugar daddy.

You’re oversimplifying a complex situation in order to fit an agenda by creating false dichotomies and ignoring a long history of war crimes on both sides.

This operation in particular was a major strategic blunder. Not only do their neighbors hate them now, but so does the rest of the world.

Hopefully they all learn how to swim before the dollar collapses and we can no longer afford to be their sugar daddy.

To be fair, Israels neighbors hated them well before this.  Hezbo is a known terrorist organization and not a military/army.  Under the Geneva Conventions a requirement for a soldier is to be in an identifiable uniform with rank insignia, military ID, etc....

At least Israel has the balls to go unconventional against an unconventional enemy.

You’re oversimplifying a complex situation in order to fit an agenda by creating false dichotomies and ignoring a long history of war crimes on both sides.

This operation in particular was a major strategic blunder. Not only do their neighbors hate them now, but so does the rest of the world.

Hopefully they all learn how to swim before the dollar collapses and we can no longer afford to be their sugar daddy.

So, you have no solution.  You only have criticism for the side that retaliates against non-stop fatal attacks.

I didn't ask for a history lesson, nor a tally of which side has done worse things to the other side.

i'm asking what you think the solution is.  If it's a complex problem as you said, then you must understand it well enough to postulate a viable soultion short of all Jews vacating Israel.

if Mexico's drug catels started firing missiles into Texas to force Americans to leave the state so they can occupy it, what should the US response be?

The solution has already been worked out. No Jewish state. They did it to themselves, and it’s just a matter of how much more of tax money we throw into that bloodbath before the whole thing goes tits up.

The solution has already been worked out. No Jewish state. They did it to themselves, and it’s just a matter of how much more of tax money we throw into that bloodbath before the whole thing goes tits up.

So, you're an anti-zionist.  Good to know where your opinions are moored.

Anti-Zionism is historically and continues to be a mostly Marxist-Communist position.

You need only observe which US ideological party/wing aligns itself with Palestein and against Israel to know that's a true statement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism

i cannot speak for hvy b, but i don't think he is saying that he thinks there should be no israel
he said, "The solution has already been worked out.", which i take to mean that he thinks it is inevitable that it will happen, not that he supports it happening
but he will be along shortly to explain himself...

So, you're an anti-zionist.  Good to know where your opinions are moored.

Anti-Zionism is historically and continues to be a mostly Marxist-Communist position.

You need only observe which US ideological party/wing aligns itself with Palestein and against Israel to know that's a true statement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism

Yeah pretty much. If someone wants to make a Jewish state then good for them, but our founding fathers explicitly warned us against getting involved in foreign conflicts for a reason. We’re about to get sucked into a war with Iran because nobody in Washington has enough balls to stand up against AIPAC. It’s way past time for them to register as a foreign agent.

Yeah pretty much. If someone wants to make a Jewish state then good for them, but our founding fathers explicitly warned us against getting involved in foreign conflicts for a reason. We’re about to get sucked into a war with Iran because nobody in Washington has enough balls to stand up against AIPAC. It’s way past time for them to register as a foreign agent.

That doesn't explain the accusations that Israelis are committing war crimes.

You should elaborate.

It's the losers who get tried for war crimes. There would are no consequences for breaking the rules as long as those crimes lead to victory.

Look at the nukes we dropped on Japan.  The US won the war, yet nobody brought US leaders to trial for indiscriminately incinerating somewhere between 150K to 240K civilians while leveling major cities.

Throwing around the "war crimes" accusation has no relevance other than to force Israel to follow the rules.  You know Hamas/Hezbo don't care about rules. 

I refer you to the decades of reports of Palestinians using civilians and civilian buildings like schools as shields to protect themselves.  That's not even including the terrorist tactics targeting civilians to coerce the public into demanding their government capitulate to the enemy.

There's a reason it's against the rules to not shoot medics identified by uniforms and flags as noncombatants. 

It's also against the rules to pretend you're a noncombatant by wrongly wearing those symbols.  You don't want real medics to be killed due to the enemy believing they might be fighters in medic clothing. 

Having said that, how would you offer proof and punish anyone broke the rules?

Seriously, there are no rules in war.  if there were, we'd have referees on the field and umpires making rulings.

Nice.  Kill all em terrorists.  Too bad they didn't do the same to hamas.  But in the end israel will win. 

People we gave billions to over the past couple years:

Ukrainian nazis
Taliban/Isis
Iran
Genocidal zionists

Not counting our domestic pedophile elites, our tax dollars are literally funding the worst people in the world.

People we gave billions to over the past couple years:

Ukrainian nazis
Taliban/Isis
Iran
Genocidal zionists

Not counting our domestic pedophile elites, our tax dollars are literally funding the worst people in the world.

Such a low IQ comment.

Ukraine is not a nazi state, there's way more nazi's in Russia.   
Israel is only defending themselves.   If anyone is genocidal it's russia bombing hospitals and flattening entire cities.
Or Islamic terrorists murdering whole communities in Africa. Or China with their ethnic cleansing. 


Our billions is the price of safety and being the world leader.  Imagine a world which China in charge.  And the world economy using the yuan.  We are funding democracy, security and favorable outcomes.  We leverage the funding to get minerals, oil and protection with alliances.  We make the world a better place.   Idk about you but I wouldn't want a world ruled by communist, dictator countries.  We have the world's best military for a reason,  these wars allow us to sell weapons. Make money and get free R&D. While making the world a safer better place.   

damn
why doesn't china want ethics?

Such a low IQ comment.

Ukraine is not a nazi state, there's way more nazi's in Russia.   
Israel is only defending themselves.   If anyone is genocidal it's russia bombing hospitals and flattening entire cities.
Or Islamic terrorists murdering whole communities in Africa. Or China with their ethic cleansing.