UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated (Read 15783 times)

changemyoil66

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #120 on: December 18, 2024, 10:54:48 AM »
Been seeing even more support of what he did on social media.  Recent post was comparing him to the film John Q. But in that movie, (spoiler alert)............................



 Denzel never killed anyone for his sons surgery. He instead was going to kill himself to give his heart to his son.

hvybarrels

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #121 on: December 18, 2024, 11:56:50 AM »
Been seeing even more support of what he did on social media.  Recent post was comparing him to the film John Q. But in that movie, (spoiler alert)............................



 Denzel never killed anyone for his sons surgery. He instead was going to kill himself to give his heart to his son.

Part of me hopes it's a psyop to stir up trouble before the inauguration, because if it's genuine sentiment then we are in for a world of trouble.
The F in Communism stands for Food

Flapp_Jackson

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #122 on: December 18, 2024, 01:16:44 PM »
Been seeing even more support of what he did on social media.  Recent post was comparing him to the film John Q. But in that movie, (spoiler alert)............................



 Denzel never killed anyone for his sons surgery. He instead was going to kill himself to give his heart to his son.

Actually, the underlying situation is more complicated.

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... the couple are behind on their house and car payments and have only $1,000
in savings, and the hospital requires a $75,000 down payment simply to
place Michael on the organ transplant list.
To make matters worse, John's
health insurance will not cover the surgery due to them changing his policy

as a result of them switching insurance carriers and reducing his working hours.

The couple attempts to raise the money, but they exhaust all avenues and still
come up short. Upon learning the hospital intends to send Michael home to die,
in desperation, John takes Dr. Turner and several patients and staff hostage at
gunpoint in the ER, demanding that Payne put Michael's name on the transplant list.
Police negotiator Lt. Frank Grimes makes contact with John.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Q.

One thing that catches a lot of people off guard is when you switch jobs or have other changes in your life that cause you to switch insurance policies.  Changes are usually delayed until the first of the following month.  So, there could be a gap between one policy being canceled and the replacement policy being active.

Yeah, he wasn't there to kill anyone but himself, but he was holding people hostage to force the hospital to take his heart and give it to his son.  Unless he's not serious about getting what he wants, he's at a minimum threatening violence against the hostages -- patients, hospital staff, etc.  If he's backed into a corner, he may take a life if it means saving his son's.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #123 on: December 23, 2024, 01:54:17 PM »
worth a watch before it gets taken down


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eyeeatingfish

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #124 on: December 24, 2024, 12:31:58 AM »
One thing that catches a lot of people off guard is when you switch jobs or have other changes in your life that cause you to switch insurance policies.  Changes are usually delayed until the first of the following month.  So, there could be a gap between one policy being canceled and the replacement policy being active.


Talking to guys who are about to retire and they explained that there is a roughly 2 week period between their work insurance ending and their retirement insurance starting even though its all through the same employer so they have to be careful not to get sick or hurt during those two weeks.

Gosh our system is broken.

eyeeatingfish

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #125 on: December 24, 2024, 12:37:31 AM »
A good doctor should make around the same amount as a good plumber.

I would argue they should get at least a little more considering there is usually more liability and there is a higher level of education required, however a good plumber can make a handsome income.

Your comment touches on another topic I was pondering recently. I always push back on the idea of regulated minimum wages due to the problems it creates but I have been thinking whether a maximum wage would make sense. Not a specific dollar amount but perhaps a percentage tied to the income of the least paid employee. So if the janitor makes $15 an hour the CEO could only make say 20x, or $300 an hour.

changemyoil66

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #126 on: December 24, 2024, 08:17:54 AM »
I would argue they should get at least a little more considering there is usually more liability and there is a higher level of education required, however a good plumber can make a handsome income.

Your comment touches on another topic I was pondering recently. I always push back on the idea of regulated minimum wages due to the problems it creates but I have been thinking whether a maximum wage would make sense. Not a specific dollar amount but perhaps a percentage tied to the income of the least paid employee. So if the janitor makes $15 an hour the CEO could only make say 20x, or $300 an hour.

Flapp mentioned something about then doctors won't work extra, when I brought up England and how there's a cap on their income.  Then apply this to non medical field like Jeff Bezos.  Would he increase the lowest paid workers hourly or would he stop trying to grow Amazon to what it is today, if this were applied from day 1?

ren

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #127 on: December 24, 2024, 09:53:06 AM »
capping salaries, what could go wrong with that?!

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hvybarrels

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #128 on: December 24, 2024, 12:47:42 PM »
Massive salaries, insider trading, and death lists are just a side effect of monopolization.
There's no reason someone has to see a certified medical doctor and pay thousands of dollars a month in insurance just so that they can get a few staples on a reef cut every once in a while.
We could solve most of our problems with dietary changes, but the food companies are owned by the same investment firms that own the medical companies, creating a perverse incentive.
The whole system is designed to keep people sick in order to maximize profit.

Healthcare is a mafia racket. 
The F in Communism stands for Food

ren

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #129 on: December 24, 2024, 01:01:10 PM »
Massive salaries, insider trading, and death lists are just a side effect of monopolization.
There's no reason someone has to see a certified medical doctor and pay thousands of dollars a month in insurance just so that they can get a few staples on a reef cut every once in a while.
We could solve most of our problems with dietary changes, but the food companies are owned by the same investment firms that own the medical companies, creating a perverse incentive.
The whole system is designed to keep people sick in order to maximize profit.

Healthcare is a mafia racket.

lots of other factors.
Drs need liability insurance. They also need a lot of education before becoming a Dr. Med school isn't cheap.
On the other hand, just like personal security we are responsible for our health. The problem is many of us don't take responsibility or take action. Or in recent times, we have accepted being unhealthy and normalize it. No one is responsible for YOUR actions and consequences. Simple equation that the general population don't always realize.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/san-francisco-health-department-hires-fat-positivity-expert-consult-weight-stigma-neutrality
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hvybarrels

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #130 on: December 24, 2024, 01:10:34 PM »
lots of other factors.
Drs need liability insurance. They also need a lot of education before becoming a Dr. Med school isn't cheap.

An advanced medical degree is not required to learn how to put in some stitches, deliver a baby, or give basic dietary advice.
They have their place, but most everyday issues could be sovled by a competent nurse with a community college level of education.
The F in Communism stands for Food

Flapp_Jackson

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #131 on: December 24, 2024, 02:18:29 PM »
Talking to guys who are about to retire and they explained that there is a roughly 2 week period between their work insurance ending and their retirement insurance starting even though its all through the same employer so they have to be careful not to get sick or hurt during those two weeks.

Gosh our system is broken.

There's a workaround for that:  COBRA coverage.

When you leave your job and lose your group health coverage, you are usually eligible to enroll in COBRA.  The cool thing is you can delay paying any premiums for at least 3 months.

You first have to respond that you intend to enroll.  Then you need to pick a plan.  Then you get a bill for your plan that isn't due for a month or more.  If you find you need to use the insurance, all you have to do is pay the premiums you owed from the time you became eligible through the date you need to file a claim.  it works out to about 3 months of free coverage unless you actually use it.

That's not only a safety net to fill that end of employment gap in coverage, but it also maintains you in that plan so you aren't  shopping for coverage while uninsured.  It's a lot harder to apply for a new plan with someone else if you have a period with no coverage at all.
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COBRA generally requires that group health plans sponsored by employers
with 20 or more employees in the prior year offer employees and their families
the opportunity for a temporary extension of health coverage (called continuation
coverage) in certain instances where coverage under the plan would otherwise end.
https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/health-plans/cobra

I think you have to enroll within the first 3 months after ending that job, and it's only available for a fixed time period -- I want to say 12 months, but don't quote me.

The premiums are expensive, so if you can work it out so you get replacement coverage within 3 months, you'll be covered without costing you anything as long as you don't have to make use of the COBRA coverage.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Jaco808

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #132 on: December 25, 2024, 05:22:26 PM »
Don't cap salaries, increase taxes.   If you make 1 billion dollars a year you can afford paying 60% tax.  Anyone under 500k or 1mil per family should have their taxes lowered.  Tax other ways to hide money.   People who own 3+ houses, should be taxed higher than one who owns 1.  Same with cars,  if your car is 200k + you should pay more tax.  Don't make all these taxes extreme  just more reasonable  than the billionaires paying less taxes than a minimum wage worker.

The top 5% shouldnt have more wealth than the bottom 95%.  But we shouldnt be communist, there is a balance.  You can make all the money you want but you just end up paying more.


Also doctors should make more than most other perfessions.  They go to alot of school and specialties.       
« Last Edit: December 25, 2024, 05:27:47 PM by Jaco808 »

hvybarrels

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #133 on: December 25, 2024, 05:50:53 PM »
Don't cap salaries, increase taxes.   If you make 1 billion dollars a year you can afford paying 60% tax.  Anyone under 500k or 1mil per family should have their taxes lowered.  Tax other ways to hide money.   People who own 3+ houses, should be taxed higher than one who owns 1.  Same with cars,  if your car is 200k + you should pay more tax.  Don't make all these taxes extreme  just more reasonable  than the billionaires paying less taxes than a minimum wage worker.

The top 5% shouldnt have more wealth than the bottom 95%.  But we shouldnt be communist, there is a balance.  You can make all the money you want but you just end up paying more.


Also doctors should make more than most other perfessions.  They go to alot of school and specialties.     

The problem is with inflation we will all be millionaires soon, so that strategy would be shooting ourselves in the foot.
I wonder why it is being so heavily promoted on the left. Hmmm...

As far as specialist doctors making more money I'm all for that, but if we were a healthier nation who could take care of ourselves without medical tyranny dictating our personal choices then we wouldn't need so many specialists.
The F in Communism stands for Food

Flapp_Jackson

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #134 on: December 25, 2024, 05:53:48 PM »
The problem is with inflation we will all be millionaires soon, so that strategy would be shooting ourselves in the foot.
I wonder why it is being so heavily promoted on the left. Hmmm...

As far as specialist doctors making more money I'm all for that, but if we were a healthier nation who could take care of ourselves without medical tyranny dictating our personal choices then we wouldn't need so many specialists.

#1 problem:  Any billionaire who gets taxed that much will find ways to avoid them (parking revenue overseas) and pass the cost onto consumers by raising prices.

#2 problem: increasing taxes rewards pork barrel Congress critters for doing a piss poor job.  If you want more piss poor performance, keep increasing the amount of money you give them to budget.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #135 on: December 26, 2024, 08:39:48 AM »
Don't cap salaries, increase taxes.   If you make 1 billion dollars a year you can afford paying 60% tax.  Anyone under 500k or 1mil per family should have their taxes lowered.  Tax other ways to hide money.   People who own 3+ houses, should be taxed higher than one who owns 1.  Same with cars,  if your car is 200k + you should pay more tax.  Don't make all these taxes extreme  just more reasonable  than the billionaires paying less taxes than a minimum wage worker.

The top 5% shouldnt have more wealth than the bottom 95%.  But we shouldnt be communist, there is a balance.  You can make all the money you want but you just end up paying more.


Also doctors should make more than most other perfessions.  They go to alot of school and specialties.     

Of course your answer is to increase taxes on the rich.  Wait, so you're saying a billionaire pays less taxes than someone who works min wage? Can you post evidence of this?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #136 on: December 26, 2024, 10:33:31 AM »
Of course your answer is to increase taxes on the rich.  Wait, so you're saying a billionaire pays less taxes than someone who works min wage? Can you post evidence of this?

i keep hearing how the rich are not paying their "fair share" of taxes.

interesting, since the top 5% of earners in the U.S. pay the majority of federal
income taxes, contributing about 66% of the total.

In fact, the top 50% of earners account for nearly 98% of federal income tax revenue.

This means that the bottom half of wage earners pay only 2% of the federal income
taxes collected.

Seems like the tax system really unfair -- to the top 50%!! 

Fair would be for everyone to pay the same percentage.  The higher income earners would pay more than the lower earners but at the same rate. 

Anyone earning below a certain threshold would be exempt from paying taxes

Careful what you wish for.  Most people think fair is whatever you can take from someone who earned it.  People see someone who isn't poor winning the lottery and complain that isn't fair.  Those people think they need the money more than the winners, and the fair thing to do is to share the windfall with them -- i.e. tax the heck out of them and send them a tax credit "refund."

Have you ever gotten a job from someone who isn't considered rich?  Most people in the top 50% invest in and/or own businesses which hire employees.  They create more wealth by using what they already have or can borrow to build businesses that hire people.  Taxing these top earners more and more means fewer jobs -- jobs that were being done overseas in many cases until Trump reduced the taxes these owners would owe if they brought that cash from banks overseas into the US for investing.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #137 on: December 26, 2024, 10:54:01 AM »
i keep hearing how the rich are not paying their "fair share" of taxes.

interesting, since the top 5% of earners in the U.S. pay the majority of federal
income taxes, contributing about 66% of the total.

In fact, the top 50% of earners account for nearly 98% of federal income tax revenue.

This means that the bottom half of wage earners pay only 2% of the federal income
taxes collected.


Wow, I didn't know this.  Well,  I never looked into it tbh as "taxing the rich" to me isn't the answer.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #138 on: December 26, 2024, 11:07:49 AM »
Wow, I didn't know this.  Well,  I never looked into it tbh as "taxing the rich" to me isn't the answer.

You're like many who say they didn't know this.  I find it concerning since there was such a stink about it when Romney was running against Obama.

Someone covertly recorded Romney speaking at a GOP gathering -- fund raiser or something.  He made the comment that it's almost impossible to convince enough voters to elect someone promising income tax cuts when nearly half of them pay little to no tax themselves.

It was spun by the media as if Romney doesn't care about the low income voters.

After I verified the facts, the percentage haven't changed by more than a percentage point year to year.  When he made that comment, I found that 46% of income earners pay zero into the federal income tax kitty.  it's the other 4% that paid the 2% of total taxes collected versus the 98% paid by the top half of earners.

What Romney said was true, but you don't hear anyone in the media or on the left talking about this.  It goes against their "fair share" BS talking point.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Jaco808

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO assassinated
« Reply #139 on: December 26, 2024, 02:45:10 PM »
#1 problem:  Any billionaire who gets taxed that much will find ways to avoid them (parking revenue overseas) and pass the cost onto consumers by raising prices.

#2 problem: increasing taxes rewards pork barrel Congress critters for doing a piss poor job.  If you want more piss poor performance, keep increasing the amount of money you give them to budget.

Not really,  we would be lowering taxes on us so if anything we can have the same amount of tax revenue overall.  Or use the money to pay down debt.  Make it mandatory.