If she believes Joe had no intention of pardoning Hunter until he "changed his mind" during Thanksgiving, she must be as senile as Joe.  That, or she's the useful idiot the Democrats continue to gaslight without resistance. 

Anyone with a brain knew he never intended to leave office without pardoning Hunter.  We all knew as well it would be after the election to avoid the negative impact on the Democrats.

What nobody predicted is he would give Hunter more than just a pass on the tax evasion and illegal gun purchase charges, but for every crime he's committed for 11 years.  That covers the time when Biden was VP up until the last month and a half of Biden's only term as President.  Biden was Obama's VP from 2008-2016, but most of the corruption issues that we know of began with Hunter's involvement with the Ukrainian energy business, Burisma the same start-year his pardon's timeframe covers.

This woman argued how Roman Polansky was found guilty of rape didn't commit "rape-rape", as if there's a spectrum of rape that goes from not really rape to actual rape-rape.

Whoopi has no moral high ground, no credibility and no integrity when on that show.  Most of her horrible comments are based on her true beliefs and feelings, so that's probably a good description of her when not on the air as well.

It is a real distinction, a lie is different than a broken promise if someone genuinely changed their mind but it is also a distinction without a difference.

I did hear on the radio that there were reports that this was Biden's plan all along though in which case it would definitely be a lie. I figured he would probably end up pardoning his son. What is sad are the democrats who praised him for refusing to pardon his son to now justifying the pardon. I am glad to hear a fair number on the left absolutely blasting Biden for this though, at lest for them these were actual values and not values of convenience.  This just give Trump more ammo if he decides to perform unethical pardons.

It is a real distinction, a lie is different than a broken promise if someone genuinely changed their mind but it is also a distinction without a difference.

I did hear on the radio that there were reports that this was Biden's plan all along though in which case it would definitely be a lie. I figured he would probably end up pardoning his son. What is sad are the democrats who praised him for refusing to pardon his son to now justifying the pardon. I am glad to hear a fair number on the left absolutely blasting Biden for this though, at lest for them these were actual values and not values of convenience.  This just give Trump more ammo if he decides to perform unethical pardons.

Joe has a long history of lying and plageuarism.  He continued to spout the Trump-Charlottesville lie publicly before he was forced out of the 2024 race.  The truth about the actual comments Trump made are readily available on the Internet.  Even Snopes labeled it 100% false even though it took them 7 years to get around to it.  Was Joe not lying?  Or did he really believe that's what Trump said?  Does it matter?

He also promised to forgive student loan debt without giving anyone the chances of that action passing constitutional muster.  Turns out that was a lie as well, just to buy votes from people in debt.

At his age and level of competence, maybe he believes whatever he wants as opposed to knowing he's lying.  If so, why was he allowed to remain in office the entire term?  How low do you want to set the bar for Joe when it seems you want Trump to be held the the highest standard ever?

You can give Joe the benefit of the doubt if you want -- as you do often just to be contrary here.  But if you look back at these threads, most of us predicted this would be the case long ago.

Making a promise he intended to keep because he trusted the justice system (his words), and then doing a 180 means what?  His own Department of Justice can no longer be trusted to apply the law fairly and evenly?  Right.  That's the only logical take-away from what he said before and why he said he granted the pardon.

I have some investment property in Florida you might be interested in.   

It is a real distinction, a lie is different than a broken promise if someone genuinely changed their mind but it is also a distinction without a difference.

I did hear on the radio that there were reports that this was Biden's plan all along though in which case it would definitely be a lie. I figured he would probably end up pardoning his son. What is sad are the democrats who praised him for refusing to pardon his son to now justifying the pardon. I am glad to hear a fair number on the left absolutely blasting Biden for this though, at lest for them these were actual values and not values of convenience.  This just give Trump more ammo if he decides to perform unethical pardons.

I take this "lie" with a grain of salt.  I would assume regardless of what was said, a father like him would pardon his crackhead son.  I can even understand if Trump extended a "professional courtesy" to pardon him as well.

What is unacceptable is MDA and ET and like org's silent about his illegal gun ownership.  We already know they're full of shit, but this adds to it.

Joe has a long history of lying and plageuarism.  He continued to spout the Trump-Charlottesville lie publicly before he was forced out of the 2024 race.  The truth about the actual comments Trump made are readily available on the Internet.  Even Snopes labeled it 100% false even though it took them 7 years to get around to it.  Was Joe not lying?  Or did he really believe that's what Trump said?  Does it matter?

He also promised to forgive student loan debt without giving anyone the chances of that action passing constitutional muster.  Turns out that was a lie as well, just to buy votes from people in debt.

At his age and level of competence, maybe he believes whatever he wants as opposed to knowing he's lying.  If so, why was he allowed to remain in office the entire term?  How low do you want to set the bar for Joe when it seems you want Trump to be held the the highest standard ever?

You can give Joe the benefit of the doubt if you want -- as you do often just to be contrary here.  But if you look back at these threads, most of us predicted this would be the case long ago.

Making a promise he intended to keep because he trusted the justice system (his words), and then doing a 180 means what?  His own Department of Justice can no longer be trusted to apply the law fairly and evenly?  Right.  That's the only logical take-away from what he said before and why he said he granted the pardon.

I have some investment property in Florida you might be interested in.   

My money was on Biden pardoning his son. Some of my liberal friend said no way, well now we know who was right.

Part of how bad it is that it extended beyond a simple pardon and was a blanket 11 year pardon and worse he attacked the DOJ. If he had made a more simple pardon it would have gone better. It would have been interested if pardoned Trump or the Jan 6th guys as well.

. It would have been interested if pardoned Trump or the Jan 6th guys as well.

I'll derail, i"d like to see Trump pardon every J6 who were non-violent. He should assign people to review each case and the evidence has to show violence. If there is no evidence, then pardon is automatic.

I'll derail, i"d like to see Trump pardon every J6 who were non-violent. He should assign people to review each case and the evidence has to show violence. If there is no evidence, then pardon is automatic.

Trump already signaled he's planning just that.  Many J6 prisoners, what the Swamp and MSM call 'rioters', will either get a pardon or a commuted sentence according to several sources including Trump's own promises.

"I am inclined to pardon many of them. I can't say for every single one because a
couple of them, probably, they got out of control," Trump said at a May 11, 2023
CNN Town Hall. Later on he added "I would say it will be a large portion of them
and it would be early on."

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/11/nx-s1-5181960/can-trump-pardon-as-promised-people-convicted-in-connection-with-the-jan-6-attack

Trump will 'most likely' pardon Capitol rioters on day one
and says Jan. 6 committee members should be jailed

President-elect Donald Trump said he is looking to pardon his supporters involved
in the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, as soon as his first day in office,
saying those incarcerated are “living in hell.”

Trump made the comments, his most sweeping since he won the election, in an
exclusive interview with NBC News’ “Meet the Press” moderator Kristen Welker.
He also said he won’t seek to turn the Justice Department on his political foes
and warned that some members of the House committee that investigated the
Jan. 6 attack “should go to jail.”

On his first day in office, Trump said, he will bring legal relief to the Jan. 6 rioters
who he said have been put through a “very nasty system.”

“I’m going to be acting very quickly. First day,” Trump said, saying later about
their imprisonment, “They’ve been in there for years, and they’re in a filthy, disgusting
place that shouldn’t even be allowed to be open.”

Trump said there “may be some exceptions” to his pardons “if somebody was radical,
crazy,” and pointed to some debunked claims that anti-Trump elements and law
enforcement operatives infiltrated the crowd.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-will-likely-pardon-capitol-rioters-day-1-says-jan-6-committee-me-rcna183275

Gotta love NBC for being consistent.  That claim was never debunked.  The FBI and DOJ directors both refused to answer that question in open congressional hearings.  We've heard from insiders who know for a fact that there were undercover law enforcement personnel in the crowds that day, some of whom were videoed inciting peaceful protestors to ignore barricades.  Some witnesses said those people were actually telling people what to do.  I've seen video of them doing just that.

The only thing that's been debunked is the rumor that journalism is still alive at NBC and the rest of the MSM.

Trump already signaled he's planning just that.  Many J6 prisoners, what the Swamp and MSM call 'rioters', will either get a pardon or a commuted sentence according to several sources including Trump's own promises.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/11/nx-s1-5181960/can-trump-pardon-as-promised-people-convicted-in-connection-with-the-jan-6-attack

Trump will 'most likely' pardon Capitol rioters on day one
and says Jan. 6 committee members should be jailedhttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-will-likely-pardon-capitol-rioters-day-1-says-jan-6-committee-me-rcna183275

Gotta love NBC for being consistent.  That claim was never debunked.  The FBI and DOJ directors both refused to answer that question in open congressional hearings.  We've heard from insiders who know for a fact that there were undercover law enforcement personnel in the crowds that day, some of whom were videoed inciting peaceful protestors to ignore barricades.  Some witnesses said those people were actually telling people what to do.  I've seen video of them doing just that.

The only thing that's been debunked is the rumor that journalism is still alive at NBC and the rest of the MSM.

I'm glad it's not a pardon for everyone.

I'm glad it's not a pardon for everyone.

He needs to have his DOJ investigate the people on the ground during J6 who were known LE personnel or operatives.  The ones who've been positively identified as working for LE via podcasts and social media investigations have been hidden from the public since j6.  No charges for these people unlike the rest of those near them on that day.

FBI lost count of how many paid informants
were at Capitol on Jan. 6, and later performed
audit to figure out exact number: ex-official

The FBI had so many paid informants at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, that
it lost track of the number and had to perform a later audit to determine
exactly how many “Confidential Human Sources” run by different FBI field
offices were present that day, a former assistant director of the bureau has
told lawmakers.

At least one informant was communicating with his FBI handler as he entered
the Capitol, according to Steven D’Antuono, formerly in charge of the bureau’s
Washington field office.

D’Antuono has testified behind closed doors to the House Judiciary Committee
that his office was aware before the riot that some of their informants would
attend a “Stop the Steal” rally thrown by former President Donald Trump, but
he only learned after the fact that informants run by other field offices also were
present, along with others who had participated of their own accord.

The Washington field office had to ask FBI headquarters “to do a poll or put out
something to people saying w[ere] any CHSs involved,” he said, so they could
get a handle on the scale of the FBI’s spying operations at the Capitol that day.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/19/fbi-lost-count-of-number-of-informants-at-capitol-on-jan-6-ex-official/

This is just one of many articles and reports that debunks the claim that Trump's "claims that anti-Trump elements and law enforcement operatives infiltrated the crowd" was debunked.