Future conflict with Panama under Trump? (Read 24466 times)

eyeeatingfish

Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« on: December 22, 2024, 12:22:31 AM »
https://nypost.com/2024/12/22/us-news/trump-threatens-to-demand-ownership-of-panama-canal-in-full-if-rip-off-of-us-doesnt-stop/

Trump tweeted that he felt Panama was ripping off the USA with fees to use the Panama Canal and floated the idea of demanding its return.

I can never tell if Trump is just too dumb to approach issues in a professional manner or if he is quite smart and he enjoys watching chaos he creates....

macsak

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2024, 06:00:32 AM »
good thing no one here fits this description...

https://nypost.com/2024/12/22/us-news/trump-threatens-to-demand-ownership-of-panama-canal-in-full-if-rip-off-of-us-doesnt-stop/

Trump tweeted that he felt Panama was ripping off the USA with fees to use the Panama Canal and floated the idea of demanding its return.

I can never tell if Trump is just too dumb to approach issues in a professional manner or if he is quite smart and he enjoys watching chaos he creates....

drck1000

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2024, 06:27:58 AM »
I can never tell if some here are genuinely naive, or ignorant, just looking for examples to pick at Trump.

This isn’t a new issue. My project has been directly impacted by the Panama Canal monopoly and had gotten attention by the Biden administration. I’d have to dig up the details, but my point is this isn’t something that just happened. Maybe Biden is complicit on allowing this and finally someone is shining a light on this lunacy because it’s not lining their pockets.

Also look at the news source. So, because it wasn’t being covered previously doesn't mean it’s something new.

Maybe we all should think objectively and truly consider some people fight for what is right vice what benefits their personal agenda.

Also try looking into what/who might be behind control of the Panama Canal, specifically what shipments are getting through without premiums. Hint, you wmorob won’t find it on NYPost, and likely easily on MSN or Google.

macsak

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2024, 06:40:52 AM »
 ???

I can never tell if some here are genuinely naive, or ignorant, just looking for examples to pick at Trump.

This isn’t a new issue. My project has been directly impacted by the Panama Canal monopoly and had gotten attention by the Biden administration. I’d have to dig up the details, but my point is this isn’t something that just happened. Maybe Biden is complicit on allowing this and finally someone is shining a light on this lunacy because it’s not lining their pockets.

Also look at the news source. So, because it wasn’t being covered previously doesn't mean it’s something new.

Maybe we all should think objectively and truly consider some people fight for what is right vice what benefits their personal agenda.

Also try looking into what/who might be behind control of the Panama Canal, specifically what shipments are getting through without premiums. Hint, you wmorob won’t find it on NYPost, and likely easily on MSN or Google.

drck1000

macsak

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2024, 07:33:03 AM »

changemyoil66

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2024, 08:13:04 AM »
OP has learned nothing about Trump and "starting wars" from 2016-2020 term. Just parroting what the mainstream media wrote about to find stuff to make Trump look bad. Or read Art of the Deal.

Side note about Panama, what that invasion taught us was joint comms between all branches.  Rangers were on 1 frequency, Delta on another, SEALs on another,  and so on.  So when they needed to communicate with each other, it was impossible.  Then JSOC was created.  Would the US have learned further down the line, probably and it may have happened in a bigger engagement, which means higher lost of life.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2024, 11:23:19 AM »
It's another "Trump said something" nothing-burger.

Unless and until he actually takes action, the situation in Panama will be dealt with just like everything else.  He will have people investigate the facts, talk to the people in authority, and decide if anything at all needs to be fixed.

Until then, it's another TDS-approved Chicken Little story.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2024, 11:26:41 AM »
good thing no one here fits this description...

The F in Communism stands for Food

eyeeatingfish

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2024, 12:46:25 AM »
I can never tell if some here are genuinely naive, or ignorant, just looking for examples to pick at Trump.

This isn’t a new issue. My project has been directly impacted by the Panama Canal monopoly and had gotten attention by the Biden administration. I’d have to dig up the details, but my point is this isn’t something that just happened. Maybe Biden is complicit on allowing this and finally someone is shining a light on this lunacy because it’s not lining their pockets.

Also look at the news source. So, because it wasn’t being covered previously doesn't mean it’s something new.

Maybe we all should think objectively and truly consider some people fight for what is right vice what benefits their personal agenda.

Also try looking into what/who might be behind control of the Panama Canal, specifically what shipments are getting through without premiums. Hint, you wmorob won’t find it on NYPost, and likely easily on MSN or Google.

I suspect that there is actually some kernel of truth which Trump was basing his comments on, unfortunately Trump brought up the issue in his usual bumbling manner instead of some reasoned position supported with numbers or facts.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2024, 12:48:09 AM »
OP has learned nothing about Trump and "starting wars" from 2016-2020 term. Just parroting what the mainstream media wrote about to find stuff to make Trump look bad. Or read Art of the Deal.

Side note about Panama, what that invasion taught us was joint comms between all branches.  Rangers were on 1 frequency, Delta on another, SEALs on another,  and so on.  So when they needed to communicate with each other, it was impossible.  Then JSOC was created.  Would the US have learned further down the line, probably and it may have happened in a bigger engagement, which means higher lost of life.


Strawman, I never claimed Trump started any wars, nor did I even mention war. 

I know Trump brags about not starting wars.

drck1000

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2024, 07:59:48 AM »
I suspect that there is actually some kernel of truth which Trump was basing his comments on, unfortunately Trump brought up the issue in his usual bumbling manner instead of some reasoned position supported with numbers or facts.
Soo… you have an issue with how Trump “brought up the issue” more than the issue itself. Only with a suspicion of a “kernel” of truth?

I actually agree with what I think  are trying to say. I do think Trump is a buffoon at times and could be handle things better. That said I also think his unconstrained approach is also shocking to most who are so used to how most politicians are, and blinded by MSM to be objective. 

changemyoil66

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2024, 08:19:08 AM »

Strawman, I never claimed Trump started any wars, nor did I even mention war. 

I know Trump brags about not starting wars.

Please show me where I said that you claimed Trump started any wars or mentioned war.

Rocky

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2024, 09:02:37 AM »
[quote
 I do think Trump is a buffoon at times and could be handle things better. 
[/quote]
More 3d ches.
Sun Tzu says, “Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

drck1000

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2024, 09:23:10 AM »
[quote
 I do think Trump is a buffoon at times and could be handle things better. 

More 3d ches.
Sun Tzu says, “Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”
Little early to be drinkin' eh?  ;D

There is some possibility in that, and do give him credit for often approaching things from a negotiating mind standpoint (believe I've mentioned that many times in his first term).  That said, for the portion you quoted, I was referring to things like gaining support, particularly for those in a more neutral and open-minded perspective.  One example of folks starting to see that MSM may not have conveyed things in a non-biased manner.

zippz

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2024, 10:05:37 AM »
There is a national security interest in taking control of the canal.  Panama uses a Chinese company to operate part of the canal.  If China eventually takes over the entire canal operations, it would be used as leverage in a trade war or close it off to US shipping in a war.

rpoL98

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2024, 01:21:04 PM »

hvybarrels

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2024, 01:24:36 PM »
This is how Trump negotiates. He comes out swinging and then "concedes" to what he actually wants.
The F in Communism stands for Food

QUIETShooter

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2024, 01:55:34 PM »
I'm gonna do more research.  I heard Jimmy Carter had something to do with the current Panama Canal situation.

I think Trump is wise to address this issue.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: Future conflict with Panama under Trump?
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2024, 10:47:45 AM »
There is a national security interest in taking control of the canal.  Panama uses a Chinese company to operate part of the canal.
Is there anything wrong with that?

Does Panama need to ask the US empire's permission as to who they include to manage the operations of their canal?

If the nations of Asia have the right to allow US imperial bases on their sovereign territory, Panama has the equal right to do allow any country to assist them in any capacity.



If China eventually takes over the entire canal operations, it would be used as leverage in a trade war or close it off to US shipping in a war.
Just like how the US empire is arming the Republic of China as well as has garrisoned Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines to shut off Chinese shipping to the World when the US empire begins its next proxy war this time with China?