Another FUBAR ATF Raid (Read 3863 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: Another FUBAR ATF Raid
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2025, 11:26:16 AM »
Concepts are hard.

Interview=daytime and knock on the door.

Raiding someone who has a gun=best to do when they're asleep.

"Search warrant" can be either done by a raid type or knock on the door.  Since you added in search warrant to the convo, even though what you quoted said "raid".

Each type of raid has it's preferred time. Ask your coworkers the best time to raid a game room.  Hint, it's not 2am.

Raid is not a legal term with a set definition, search warrant is. Stop trying to comment about things you don't understand.

changemyoil66

Re: Another FUBAR ATF Raid
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2025, 11:56:29 AM »
Raid is not a legal term with a set definition, search warrant is. Stop trying to comment about things you don't understand.

I didn't know that we were supposed to use legal terms only on a public forum. Stop trying to cover up that I pointed out what you would use later to wiggle out of an argument. "I never said raid, I said search warrant", once you're shown to be wrong.

But, raid is in the Oxford dictionary.

Also AI google said

"Yes, raid is a legal word that has multiple meanings, including a sudden police invasion:
Police raid
A sudden and forceful entry by police officers to arrest suspects, seize evidence, or look for criminals. The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) defines a police raid as such. "

AI has been known to be wrong from time to time as I've googled other things.  But now we're going off topic just so you can feel like you're correct.

macsak

Re: Another FUBAR ATF Raid
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2025, 12:26:07 PM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Another FUBAR ATF Raid
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2025, 12:41:22 PM »
Quote
A police raid is an unexpected visit by police or other law enforcement
officers with the aim of using the element of surprise to seize evidence
or arrest suspects believed to be likely to hide evidence, resist arrest,
endanger the public or officers if approached through other means, or
simply be elsewhere at another time. Various tactics are used by law
enforcement in raids that often vary based on available equipment,
situational factors, laws, and police powers.
Quote
The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)
defines a police raid as "a sudden appearance by officers for the purpose
of arresting suspected law violators and seizing contraband and the
means and instruments used in the commission of a crime."[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_raid

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/raids-and-searches-new-agent-training

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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Another FUBAR ATF Raid
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2025, 11:21:07 AM »
I didn't know that we were supposed to use legal terms only on a public forum. Stop trying to cover up that I pointed out what you would use later to wiggle out of an argument. "I never said raid, I said search warrant", once you're shown to be wrong.

But, raid is in the Oxford dictionary.

Also AI google said

"Yes, raid is a legal word that has multiple meanings, including a sudden police invasion:
Police raid
A sudden and forceful entry by police officers to arrest suspects, seize evidence, or look for criminals. The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) defines a police raid as such. "

AI has been known to be wrong from time to time as I've googled other things.  But now we're going off topic just so you can feel like you're correct.

The issue is law enforcement policy and techniques on when and how search warrants are performed. I am pointing out that you calling something a raid is useless because it doesn't mean anything in the legal sense. Your whole comment had literally nothing to do with the question I posed to Wchiro.

changemyoil66

Re: Another FUBAR ATF Raid
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2025, 12:39:42 PM »
The issue is law enforcement policy and techniques on when and how search warrants are performed. I am pointing out that you calling something a raid is useless because it doesn't mean anything in the legal sense. Your whole comment had literally nothing to do with the question I posed to Wchiro.

Thanks for trying to make this about something else cause you know you're wrong again.

Swooosshhh isn't a legal term either, but it's used all the time here cause "someone" gets swoooshed often.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Another FUBAR ATF Raid
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2025, 09:38:08 AM »
Thanks for trying to make this about something else cause you know you're wrong again.

Swooosshhh isn't a legal term either, but it's used all the time here cause "someone" gets swoooshed often.

So you try to change the subject and when I point out your comment is irrelevant, you accuse me of changing the subject... gotcha. I think it is clear who is the one who cannot admit they were wrong.  :stopjack:

changemyoil66

Re: Another FUBAR ATF Raid
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2025, 09:59:35 AM »
So you try to change the subject and when I point out your comment is irrelevant, you accuse me of changing the subject... gotcha. I think it is clear who is the one who cannot admit they were wrong.  :stopjack:

Hahahhahaha. NIce way to change the topic about changing the topic. BRB, getting can of RAID cause I have roaches.  Maybe RAID is a trademarked word.