Been watching the spat going on among some big name Trump supporters over the H1B visa program. For context H1B visas are for immigrants to come in to fill jobs in specialized job roles. Musk and Ramaswamy are strong supporters while others on the right, including Laura Loomer and Steve Bannon are critics. 

The program is supposed to be for jobs that have a shortage of qualified American workers.  Instead, the government has allowed some employers to replace qualified Americans with cheaper foreigners. 

My college (Liberal Arts School) had a large population of professors from India, China and so forth.  It's not like there was a shortage of qualified teachers in the 1980s.  One Chinese professor in particular couldn't speak English, so he read the text book aloud while writing the text on the blackboard.  Nobody asked questions because his explanations made no sense. 

This was in a computer science class "The Theory of Automata."  There were 2 tests -- midterm and final.  Each test had less than 10 questions.  More than half the class dropped the course or received a D or F.  Complaints to the math department went unanswered.  They knew, but couldn't do anything.


How H-1B visas have been abused since the beginning

In the 1980s, Bruce Morrison saw problems with temporary visas for workers.
At the time, he was a Democratic Congressman from Connecticut, and he felt
that visas granted under the H1 program — which was created in 1952 — were
handed out too liberally. The program allowed entry for too many people who
weren't vital to the U.S. economy, he argued. 

In response, Morrison helped write the Immigration Act of 1990, which created
the H-1B program. "The intent was clamp down on abuse and open the doors
to truly exceptional people through a system when they become Americans,"
Morrison tells 60 Minutes. "And prevent the kind of abuse of the temporary visa
system that existed before."

But this week on 60 Minutes, correspondent Bill Whitaker reports that the H-1B
visa program has since been seriously abused, allowing companies to fire
American workers and to bring in cheap foreign labor.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-h-1b-visas-have-been-abused-since-the-beginning/

Yay or nay is a simplistic, uninformed "American Idol" voting approach. 

Yay in concept if managed properly.  Nay because government can't manage anything properly.

Support it's true intention, not how it's abused by some.

I met 1 person who was here on a H1 cause she was complainging how her job sucks. So I asked, why doesn't she go somewhere else.  Her reply was that she's on a H1 and the company is helping her get her citizenship. So if she quits now, she has to not only pay back all the money that was spent, but she also will get deported.  IDK what ever happened to her, if she got her citizenship or not as this was years ago.  She did a very common job too. Not like there was no one else to do it.

A reporter was trying to bash Musk on why he doesn't hire more immigrants for SpaceX.  He responded that  for certain things like federal grants and security clearances, he has to hire US citizens only.  Then the issue was dropped cause his reply didn't support the narrative.

do a google search or youtube and look up H1B visa and boeing
will explain a lot of their current issues with the 737 and other planes...

I met 1 person who was here on a H1 cause she was complainging how her job sucks. So I asked, why doesn't she go somewhere else.  Her reply was that she's on a H1 and the company is helping her get her citizenship. So if she quits now, she has to not only pay back all the money that was spent, but she also will get deported.  IDK what ever happened to her, if she got her citizenship or not as this was years ago.  She did a very common job too. Not like there was no one else to do it.

A reporter was trying to bash Musk on why he doesn't hire more immigrants for SpaceX.  He responded that  for certain things like federal grants and security clearances, he has to hire US citizens only.  Then the issue was dropped cause his reply didn't support the narrative.

There have been a few stories recently about Chinese spies working in colleges and universities, often because schools do research for the military and civilian companies in communications, etc.  Some of it is national security related, but it's also proprietary technology that China wants to steal.

American universities are a soft target for
China's spies, say U.S. intelligence officials

It was a brazen scheme to steal another company's product, according
to a federal criminal complaint.

University of Texas professor Bo Mao, prosecutors say, took proprietary
technology from an American Silicon Valley start-up and handed it over
to a subsidiary of Huawei, the Chinese telecommunications conglomerate.

But what makes the case against Mao particularly noteworthy is how he
was accused of carrying out the theft: By using his status as a university
researcher to obtain the circuit board under the guise of academic testing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/american-universities-are-soft-target-china-s-spies-say-u-n1104291

Much of this campus spying is never caught, let alone prosecuted,
officials say. But in recent months:

--A Chinese Harvard-affiliated cancer researcher was caught in December
with 21 vials of cells stolen from a laboratory at a Boston hospital.

--A Chinese professor conducting sensitive research at the University of
Kansas was indicted in August on charges he concealed his ties to a
Chinese university.

--A Chinese scholar at the University of California, Los Angeles was
convicted in June of shipping banned missile technology to his homeland.

--A Chinese student at Chicago's Illinois Institute of Technology was
charged last year with helping to recruit spies for his country's version
of the CIA.

"No country poses a greater, more severe or long-term threat to our
national security and economic prosperity than China," said Boston's
top FBI agent, Joseph Bonavolonta. "China's communist government's
goal, simply put, is to replace the U.S. as the world superpower, and
they are breaking the law to get there."

Been watching the spat going on among some big name Trump supporters over the H1B visa program. For context H1B visas are for immigrants to come in to fill jobs in specialized job roles. Musk and Ramaswamy are strong supporters while others on the right, including Laura Loomer and Steve Bannon are critics.

Is that your position/understanding?  Or what you gleaned from the "spat"?

H1B/H2B are nonimmigrant visa that are intended to allow foreign nationals to work in the US (and Territories) for a temporary period.  While they MAY be used for immigrants, they are not 'visas for immigrants'. 

It's been a while, but I have a lot of experience with both H1B and H2B (mostly with H2B) for supplementing construction work force in US territories.  How those programs work is a separate issue, but the issue itself is often twisted and used as political leverage for other things.  I've seen that first hand for my former projects in Guam.  My point is that there's often a LOT of things going on behind the scenes, closed doors, etc and often not reported in the news.  Many times I found out the "truth" when having attorneys for the Gov't and contractors looking into the actual verbiage of "local laws", the actual provisions, etc. 

H2B has also come up recently in my current project(s), which are more domestic and that adds many more layers to this issue.  Including unions, availability, etc on top of politics.

What is YOUR position?

do a google search or youtube and look up H1B visa and boeing
will explain a lot of their current issues with the 737 and other planes...

I guess this would tie into DEI too.

no

I guess this would tie into DEI too.

Nobody is going to war. over H1B Visas  The argument is that the system is being managed improperly, thus not having the intended affect on US economic and immigration.

if the program can be tailored to enforce the actual immigration law it is part of, then people on both political sides would be in favor.

That headline is pure click bait.

Is that your position/understanding?  Or what you gleaned from the "spat"?

The spat was useless, but entertaining with Musk dropping the F bomb in a tweet.
I tend to look for more in-depth, less passionate, discussion of the issue.

H1B/H2B are nonimmigrant visa that are intended to allow foreign nationals to work in the US (and Territories) for a temporary period.  While they MAY be used for immigrants, they are not 'visas for immigrants'. 

Touche.

It's been a while, but I have a lot of experience with both H1B and H2B (mostly with H2B) for supplementing construction work force in US territories.  How those programs work is a separate issue, but the issue itself is often twisted and used as political leverage for other things.  I've seen that first hand for my former projects in Guam.  My point is that there's often a LOT of things going on behind the scenes, closed doors, etc and often not reported in the news.  Many times I found out the "truth" when having attorneys for the Gov't and contractors looking into the actual verbiage of "local laws", the actual provisions, etc. 

H2B has also come up recently in my current project(s), which are more domestic and that adds many more layers to this issue.  Including unions, availability, etc on top of politics.

What is YOUR position?

I support H1B visas as a concept, I think it is a necessary tool in some situations. The hypothetical example I use to explain why it is necessary is to imagine that we were short on doctors leading to people not being able to get medical care. We wouldn't stand by letting Americans die while we wait 6 years to train a bunch of new ones.

The abuses though cannot be denied. If companies can find ways of hiring H1B visa workers a lot cheaper than American workers then they will. Without knowing the intricacies of how H1B visas work I can only suspect that there are a number of fixes that need to be made to the H1B program but I would not eliminate the program altogether. I heard one suggestion that wages should be tied to American wages so that hiring a H1B worker would not be so much cheaper and that makes some sense.

I remember being told about the science professors at UH who would treat their foreign students like slaves because they knew they could get away with it.

You know that's what's going on all over the place. A workforce with no rights driving down wages.

I remember being told about the science professors at UH who would treat their foreign students like slaves because they knew they could get away with it.

You know that's what's going on all over the place. A workforce with no rights driving down wages.

Imagine, if you will, a higher education system that dumbs-down US students through woke/social justice degree programs while getting filthy rich off the debt the students are convinced can be paid off quickly after graduation.  What the universities are producing is a population of young people massively in debt with little to no marketable skills.

Enter the H1-B program.  So few highly educated US applicants, thanks to the above situation, which justifies more and more foreign employees who are willing to work for less than a qualified US citizen.

But, that's just crazy talk.

RE: H1B Visas, Yay or Nay?

Yay but maybe nay.

Nobody is going to war. over H1B Visas  The argument is that the system is being managed improperly, thus not having the intended affect on US economic and immigration.

if the program can be tailored to enforce the actual immigration law it is part of, then people on both political sides would be in favor.

That headline is pure click bait.

Click bait title or not the information in the video should answer a lot of questions for people seeking to understand this issue.

Click bait title or not the information in the video should answer a lot of questions for people seeking to understand this issue.

That's not the only click bait headline or video title i've seen on the subject.  I think there are plenty of videos or articles one could post without such a misleading lede. 

Or is is mis-lede-ing?