Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump (Read 49985 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2025, 06:33:49 PM »
Interesting that you say that.

Americans who support MAGA also don't like what America is today as well; hence, MAGA!   :geekdanc:


Stop rephrasing the positions I take saying what it isn't.

I am vocal opponent of neocons as well as imperialism and calling out the US empire's machinations to bully weak sovereign nations to get what it wants at the detriment of that nation's people.

It is possible to like something and simultaneously want to improve upon it.  How many different versions on the iPhone and personal computers have we seen over the last 30-40 years? 

I loved my IBM-compatible 8086 INTEL cpu, 1 megabyte of RAM, amber monochrome 12" screen, 1200 Baud modem, one 5-1/4" and one 3-1/2" floppy drive, 40mb internal hard drive running MS-DOS.  That doesn't mean I haven't admired all the PCs, notebooks and network appliances that came along after.

Make America Great Again doesn't imply to me that America has become the evil imperial monster you paint it as.  There is a scale of some degree between what you believe and where 'great' resides.  I don't subscribe to your notion of where we are. 

MAGA!!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2025, 10:03:44 PM »
All China has to do is start selling out treasuries and we're totally boned.

So why don't they?

Turns out their imperial economy isn't doing so hot either.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

Kuleana

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2025, 11:42:44 AM »
It is possible to like something and simultaneously want to improve upon it.
You are right but have to also concede that it is equally possible to not like something and want to improve it as well.   :geekdanc:



Make America Great Again doesn't imply to me that America has become the evil imperial monster you paint it as.
Your entitled to your feelings on this issue; but it has done and continues to do some monstrous imperialistic things.

Engaging in illegal and proxy wars of aggression; instigating color revolutions and government overthrows; blowing up gas pipelines of its so-called allies; establishing military garrisons all over the World, and that's just the evil it has done on the foreign front.

On the domestic side, the Power Okole has been slowly shredding the Constitution and Bill of Rights; purposely not stopping domestic organized crime from bringing in illegal drugs, narcotics, fentanyl, etc. that destroys its own communities; leaving the border open to illegal immigrants that keeps American wages low; and etc.
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Kuleana

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2025, 11:50:51 AM »
So why don't they?

Turns out their imperial economy isn't doing so hot either.
The answer is quite simple.

Although China and the rest of BRICS are in the process of delinking, all of its member nations are still connected economically and financially to the US imperial system to varying degrees.  It will still take some years for all of BRICS to equilibrate their economies and financial systems to a degree that insulates them from the collapsing US imperial "rules-based order".

Until then, China and the rest of BRICS will still suffer the unilateral sanctions and tariffs imposed by the US empire to the many nations of the multipolar free World.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2025, 12:36:11 PM »
You are right but have to also concede that it is equally possible to not like something and want to improve it as well.   :geekdanc:


Your entitled to your feelings on this issue; but it has done and continues to do some monstrous imperialistic things.

Engaging in illegal and proxy wars of aggression; instigating color revolutions and government overthrows; blowing up gas pipelines of its so-called allies; establishing military garrisons all over the World, and that's just the evil it has done on the foreign front.

On the domestic side, the Power Okole has been slowly shredding the Constitution and Bill of Rights; purposely not stopping domestic organized crime from bringing in illegal drugs, narcotics, fentanyl, etc. that destroys its own communities; leaving the border open to illegal immigrants that keeps American wages low; and etc.
And you are free to characterize those things any way your little heart desires.

The biggest difference I see between the Left and Right in the US is the Left wants to destroy the framework of the nation's government and replace it with socialist and Marxist ideologies.  The Right, those you call MAGA, want to get back to the basics where our government represents the needs of the people. 

One of the biggest changes between the American Republic you admired is the population growth.  I can see how a member of the house or Senate can represent the desires of one to ten thousand people.  But today each representative votes on behalf of 747,000 constituents in their districts.  That really needs to change.  As we've seen for about a century, Congress tends to vote according to whichever side of an issue makes the most noise or the largest donation.  Reelection has become the primary concern for Congress critters, and lobbyists have much more pull than John and Jane Public.

The radicals and activists want to ignore or eliminate the US Constitution except for the parts that support their agenda.  There was a time when the hippies and professional protestors only made their voices heard in the media and in the streets.  Those same radicals grew up, when to college, and now operate under the guise of public service.  The fox is in the hen house.

Obama said in speeches he wants to fundamentally change America.  You can't love something and simultaneously want to destroy its very foundation.  The fundamentals ARE the country -- they are the basis for all that we are.  So, yes, it's possible to not like something and want to improve it, but the Left wants to demolish it and start from scratch so we more closely resemble other countries.  The comparisons with other nations are endless whether it's healthcare, firearm bans, education or the economy.

The US is a unique experiment that's lasted over 2 centuries.  Those who seek power and riches have perverted and circumvented the law to do their bidding.  This country was founded on the belief that most people will do what is right.  With the attacks on religion and morality, I believe we've started down a path that can no longer trust anyone to do anything that's not in their own best interest.

That is the foundation we need to improve upon.  If we simply accept that's how things are, we are going to be living in a Big Brother Totalitarian state sooner than you think.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2025, 03:26:40 PM »
That is the foundation we need to improve upon.  If we simply accept that's how things are,we are going to be living in a Big Brother Totalitarian state sooner than you think.
Everything you said is totally right.

The only difference in understanding is what you fear above I contend has already happened; hence, why I call always refer to the American Republic in past tense.  In my view as similarly reflected by other Americans on the independent media as well as online content creators not already banned by X, Facebook, YouTube, etc., America is an empire that is in decline by the reasons shared ad nauseum by myself as well as other anti-neocons and anti-imperialists alike.

macsak

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2025, 07:59:42 PM »
https://gprivate.com/6fiij
unless there is a separate definition of "unilateral" that i'm not aware of...

The answer is quite simple.

Although China and the rest of BRICS are in the process of delinking, all of its member nations are still connected economically and financially to the US imperial system to varying degrees.  It will still take some years for all of BRICS to equilibrate their economies and financial systems to a degree that insulates them from the collapsing US imperial "rules-based order".

Until then, China and the rest of BRICS will still suffer the unilateral sanctions and tariffs imposed by the US empire to the many nations of the multipolar free World.

macsak

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2025, 05:57:07 AM »
so the cartels are DOMESTIC organized crime?

You are right but have to also concede that it is equally possible to not like something and want to improve it as well.   :geekdanc:


Your entitled to your feelings on this issue; but it has done and continues to do some monstrous imperialistic things.

Engaging in illegal and proxy wars of aggression; instigating color revolutions and government overthrows; blowing up gas pipelines of its so-called allies; establishing military garrisons all over the World, and that's just the evil it has done on the foreign front.

On the domestic side, the Power Okole has been slowly shredding the Constitution and Bill of Rights; purposely not stopping domestic organized crime from bringing in illegal drugs, narcotics, fentanyl, etc. that destroys its own communities; leaving the border open to illegal immigrants that keeps American wages low; and etc.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2025, 11:30:19 AM »
so the cartels are DOMESTIC organized crime?

He must believe/have evidence that there are no gangs from foreign countries managing the illegal drug supply lines -- owned and operated by criminal organizations from those countries.

DEA Operation Last Mile Tracks Down
Sinaloa and Jalisco Cartel Associates
Operating within the United States

Quote
Operation Last Mile comprised 1,436 investigations conducted from
May 1, 2022 through May 1, 2023, in collaboration with federal, state
and local law enforcement partners, and resulted in 3,337 arrests and
the seizure of nearly 44 million fentanyl pills, more than 6,500 pounds
of fentanyl powder, more than 91,000 pounds of methamphetamine,
8,497 firearms, and more than $100 million.
Quote
“The Sinaloa and Jalisco Cartels use multi-city distribution networks,
violent local street gangs, and individual dealers across the United
States to flood American communities with fentanyl and methamphetamine,
drive addiction, fuel violence, and kill Americans,” said Administrator
Milgram.  “What is also alarming—American social media platforms
are the means by which they do so.  The Cartels use social media
and encrypted platforms to run their operations and reach out to victims,
and when their product kills Americans, they simply move on to try to
victimize the millions of other Americans who are social media users.”
https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2023/05/05/dea-operation-last-mile-tracks-down-sinaloa-and-jalisco-cartel-associates
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2025, 10:28:48 AM »
And all of that doesn't mean "no, I wont ever use military force". Thanks for trying to move goal post.

Goalpost moving again?
You only asked if he should just not reply at all so I gave you good replies.

Of course Trump could have also just said "no" to the question and that would have been fine too. Stop trying to reframe the reporter's question so that there could be some hypothetical situation that would justify Trump's use of military force.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2025, 10:31:26 AM »
Common TDS symptom.  He doesn't have a problem with what Trump's message may be.  He just has a problem with the words or way in which it was stated.

After all these years of pearl-clutching by the Left over how Trump speaks, it's obvious they haven't learned that none of that matters to Trump supporters.  He is who he is.  We know what we are getting in the package, so crying about any words he uses is just more snowflake behavior.

Obama was an excellent speaker and was rarely called out for his choice of phrases.  He was also a horrible president.  He even admitted in an interview that he'd failed in the area of economic growth and that meant he expected to be a one-term president.  Getting elected to a second term doesn't prove he was effective.  It just means he was able to run a winning campaign against Romney with the aid of the media.

if i have to prioritize a President's qualities, I'll take results over rhetoric.


Wrong.
Trump should not have said anything indicating he was considering military force because there is nothing which justifies using military force.

"He is who he is" and therefore what? We shouldn't call him out on his bad behavior? Funny I don't recall you saying "he is who he is" when Biden says a bunch of stupid stuff

changemyoil66

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2025, 01:15:00 PM »
Goalpost moving again?
You only asked if he should just not reply at all so I gave you good replies.

Of course Trump could have also just said "no" to the question and that would have been fine too. Stop trying to reframe the reporter's question so that there could be some hypothetical situation that would justify Trump's use of military force.

SWOOOOSSSHHHHH hahahahahhha.

changemyoil66

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2025, 01:15:40 PM »

Wrong.
Trump should not have said anything indicating he was considering military force because there is nothing which justifies using military force.


Read my hypothetical about nukes being kept.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2025, 01:25:58 PM »

Wrong.
Trump should not have said anything indicating he was considering military force because there is nothing which justifies using military force.

"He is who he is" and therefore what? We shouldn't call him out on his bad behavior? Funny I don't recall you saying "he is who he is" when Biden says a bunch of stupid stuff

Is that based on the vast National Security & Military Training/Experience you've demonstrated so many times on here?

I didn't say Biden is who he is because most of the time we had NO IDEA what Biden was trying to say!!

Go argue somewhere else.  The adults are having a discussion.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #74 on: February 11, 2025, 09:25:47 AM »
Read my hypothetical about nukes being kept.

What does that have to do with Panama?

Face it, you have nothing to justify daddy Trump's comments. You are floundering here.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #75 on: February 11, 2025, 09:29:14 AM »
Is that based on the vast National Security & Military Training/Experience you've demonstrated so many times on here?

I didn't say Biden is who he is because most of the time we had NO IDEA what Biden was trying to say!!

Go argue somewhere else.  The adults are having a discussion.

Then start by having an adult conversation. What, in the situation with Panama at the time of Trump's comment, would justify the use of the military to take land from a soverign non-hostile nation? You and CMO keep beating around the bush here with no justification for Trump's comment. 

So either man up and admit it was a stupid comment by Trump or explain who military force would be justifiable.

changemyoil66

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #76 on: February 11, 2025, 09:48:09 AM »
What does that have to do with Panama?

Face it, you have nothing to justify daddy Trump's comments. You are floundering here.

OMG, you just forgot the hypothetical.  This is what happens when  you go by feelings.

changemyoil66

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #77 on: February 11, 2025, 09:49:09 AM »
Then start by having an adult conversation. What, in the situation with Panama at the time of Trump's comment, would justify the use of the military to take land from a soverign non-hostile nation? You and CMO keep beating around the bush here with no justification for Trump's comment. 

So either man up and admit it was a stupid comment by Trump or explain who military force would be justifiable.

I already explained what would justify it. You just refuse to accept it as you are once again wrong.

I'm enjoying your replies, it's funny how off people can be who claim to use logic.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2025, 10:19:56 AM »
I already explained what would justify it. You just refuse to accept it as you are once again wrong.

I'm enjoying your replies, it's funny how off people can be who claim to use logic.

No you didn't, you explained what would justify it in hypothetical scenarios. I asked you to justify it with things the way they are now.

Give me more credit than that, you have to do a better bait and switch to trick me.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Promises made, Promises kept! -- President Trump
« Reply #79 on: February 11, 2025, 10:20:44 AM »
OMG, you just forgot the hypothetical.  This is what happens when  you go by feelings.

Your responses are like shave ice without any syrup or toppings.