Very good.

I forgot to also mention that the rifle can never leave the state as you cannot bring it back in. So any out of state hunting, competition shooting, smithing, cannot ever be done.

Yes. I have a 50 cal on the mainland right now getting trigger work done just in case...

However, I don't think most guns can be called "assault weapons" if disassembled, and I don't know of any precedent for them to get around that.

For example, if it's an AR, and you separate the upper and lower receivers, then how can it still be an assault weapon? "Oh, I was going to put that upper on my lever-action lower, and that lower only goes with my bolt action upper." Or even if you just remove a critical gas system part... There's no longer a semi-auto in the picture, right?
 
I'm sure they could prosecute, if they somehow caught you doing it. Perhaps if it says "semi" on your registration, then they'll consider it as always a semi, even if configured in a way that is most definitely not semi-auto? But this is the same government that is completely flummoxed when it comes to prosecuting ghost gun cases, so it's hard to imagine them turning into legal beagles regarding disassembled gun parts being personally transported across the border.

So I reckon that the crossing-state-lines thing is very much unenforceable for most guns as long as people are a little bit intelligent about it. (For a 50 cal where the serial number can't be detached from the barrel, it'd be a more tenuous argument.)

The fact that new guns couldn't be registered would be where the government would get to bare its teeth with the new law.

Yes. I have a 50 cal on the mainland right now getting trigger work done just in case...

However, I don't think most guns can be called "assault weapons" if disassembled, and I don't know of any precedent for them to get around that.

For example, if it's an AR, and you separate the upper and lower receivers, then how can it still be an assault weapon? "Oh, I was going to put that upper on my lever-action lower, and that lower only goes with my bolt action upper." Or even if you just remove a critical gas system part... There's no longer a semi-auto in the picture, right?
 
I'm sure they could prosecute, if they somehow caught you doing it. Perhaps if it says "semi" on your registration, then they'll consider it as always a semi, even if configured in a way that is most definitely not semi-auto? But this is the same government that is completely flummoxed when it comes to prosecuting ghost gun cases, so it's hard to imagine them turning into legal beagles regarding disassembled gun parts being personally transported across the border.

So I reckon that the crossing-state-lines thing is very much unenforceable for most guns as long as people are a little bit intelligent about it. (For a 50 cal where the serial number can't be detached from the barrel, it'd be a more tenuous argument.)

The fact that new guns couldn't be registered would be where the government would get to bare its teeth with the new law.

 "Assault rifle" means a semiautomatic rifle:"

An upper is not a rifle. And just a lower the same. But if the shipper doesn't take apart first, then you're breaking the law.

So everybody, think we're baked on this one?

So everybody, think we're baked on this one?

I think we are.  The most concerning part is the mags as there is no grandfather, so many will have to find ways to "dispose" of them.  At least with the grandfather for rifles, we have time for a lawsuit.

So everybody, think we're baked on this one?

yes. Well deserved. We voted for dumb people we get dumb laws.

When do we get to see the next/ final version of the text?

yes. Well deserved. We voted for dumb people we get dumb laws.

Because of mail in voting there's no way to know if that's true

yes. Well deserved. We voted for dumb people we get dumb laws.

Soon, very soon these dumb people who voted for the dumb people who drafted these dumb laws will see the error of their ways.

Soon.  Very soon.

I'll be right there, right in their faces.  Telling them go. Go cry me a river.

Soon, very soon these dumb people who voted for the dumb people who drafted these dumb laws will see the error of their ways.

Soon.  Very soon.

I'll be right there, right in their faces.  Telling them go. Go cry me a river.

I think they are too dumb to be able to see the error of their ways.  Think AOC, Jasmine Crockett.  They couldn't see the error of their ways if it ran them over, and then backed up over them to dot the i's and cross the t's.

their rationalization skills are off the charts.  like TDS on steroids.  it's unfortunate.  in the olden days, "Darwin" would solve the problem.

House comittee selected and meeting tomorrow at 430pm.  Garcia is the only pro 2A one out of all members in both senate and house committees combined.

I think we are.  The most concerning part is the mags as there is no grandfather, so many will have to find ways to "dispose" of them.  At least with the grandfather for rifles, we have time for a lawsuit.

Since no one on here breaks the law, I'm sure there will be thousands of magazines turned in to the local PD or blocked if the law passes. 

i think this is the link for the live stream:



capitol.hawaii.gov legislature website says Rm 325, this link for that room starting at 2pm.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=401&year=2025



it's too bad that "Chat is disabled for this live stream." 

Rep Poepoe is no longer on the house committee.  This doesn't affect anything.  They can either replace her or not. It's up to them.

The House proposed to allow inheritance of the grandfathered firearms, but would be happy with the law either way.

Tarnass called inheritance a "big change". The audacity! Somehow adding semiautos and magazine bans into this bill was a minor revision yet inheritance is a big change!

Tarnass said he appreciated us who oppose the bill because we've grown accustomed to the way things have always been but that this is the right way forward.

Everybody voted as expected.

The House proposed to allow inheritance of the grandfathered firearms, but would be happy with the law either way.

Tarnass called inheritance a "big change". The audacity! Somehow adding semiautos and magazine bans into this bill was a minor revision yet inheritance is a big change!

Tarnass said he appreciated us become we've grown accustomed to the way things have always been but that this is the right way forward.

Everybody voted as expected.

Mags not grandfathered in.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Az3dajKgS/

also contact senate president kouchi...

Since no one on here breaks the law, I'm sure there will be thousands of magazines turned in to the local PD or blocked if the law passes. 

Do we get $200 gift cards for each one turned in?