DOGE Thread (Read 23377 times)

QUIETShooter

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #100 on: February 27, 2025, 09:24:58 AM »
You are more than welcome to send part of your income voluntarily. I for one at this point am good with cutting all foreign aid until our budget and debt is at a manageable level again. All other nations can kick rocks until then.

I agree.  Let's clean up our own house, muddied by the demo-retards that ruined it, then:

I hope the plan is to cut now and rebuild a better more transparent org later.


Do this.  We need transparency.  Lots of corrupt people and organizations benefited when they don't deserve it.  May these people's botos and belots burn forever from STD now and forever.

Amen.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

eyeeatingfish

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #101 on: February 27, 2025, 11:24:56 AM »
you said "every charity" making it a noun
not an action...

You are mixing two different posts. One was talking about charity the verb, one was talking about charitable organizations and their efficiency

eyeeatingfish

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #102 on: February 27, 2025, 11:28:30 AM »
If there's nothing wrong in your mind about buying friendships, why not just send a check?  Why use USAID as a cover?  Why all the cloak and dagger?  Maybe your comment about friendships is wrong, that's why.

What cloak and dagger?
Congress doesn't just cut a check every time they allocate money, there are offices that oversee and implement the spending. When a government agency or non-profit applies for a grant it goes though an administrative middleman, not straight to a congressman.

eyeeatingfish

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #103 on: February 27, 2025, 11:36:58 AM »
And yet you are wanting to evaluate them based on the same overhead analysis that designated charities are judged by.  You want to compare USAID to other charities and then in the same breath argue they are different.  That makes no sense.

Strawman, I didn't make that argument.



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Based on what?  Do you know of any USAID expenditures you'd keep?  If so, what is the benefit to the US, and how is that benefit worth what we are paying for?

I would need to go line by line to say which programs I would keep and would cut.
Did you go line by line or are you suggesting we get rid of USAID without knowing the benefits of every program that would be cut?



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Funny how you post a straw argument to argue against my argument.  Show me were I said you FULLY support ALL spending associated with USAID.  I never said that, but you're pretending i did.  Since you asked for a quote, how about a true quote which I posted -- not what you say I posted:

"Keep defending the deep state's USAID fund.  It just shows how contrary and argumentative you can be.  You're happy with government fraud, waste, abuse and non-transparency.  That's been established.  Anything more you have to say on this is redundant."

Is English your second language? Do you not understand the inherent implication of your own words? If you say I am defending USAID and was happy with the waste, fraud, etc. that inherently implies I support it all.

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #104 on: February 27, 2025, 11:41:48 AM »
What cloak and dagger?
Congress doesn't just cut a check every time they allocate money, there are offices that oversee and implement the spending. When a government agency or non-profit applies for a grant it goes though an administrative middleman, not straight to a congressman.

Nothing in here answered my question or is relevant.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #105 on: February 27, 2025, 11:44:01 AM »
What cloak and dagger?
Congress doesn't just cut a check every time they allocate money, there are offices that oversee and implement the spending. When a government agency or non-profit applies for a grant it goes though an administrative middleman, not straight to a congressman.

How much time have you spent in federal government?

You have no idea what the funding processes actually look like.

Every high-level agency gets a discretionary pot of money to spend on anything they see as needed but not otherwise funded.

Once Congress and the President pass a budget, the money is allocated by law.  Any middlemen are just accounting and finance workers who dispurse the funds to organizations whose leaders then allocate the funds down to subordinate organizations to fund activities.

In the case of USAID, the money is sent directly to that program.  The people running it decide who gets how much.

You seem to have this misconception that there are people like Musk in the process making sure funding has a person or section that oversees the money to make sure it is spent responsibly.  That perception is totally wrong.  The only oversight is AFTER THE FACT, where someone who cares about the duty to be responsible sees what was spent, how it was spent, and why it was spent.  Then they can question whether or not any expenditure was reasonable and justifiable.  Most don't care.  As long as the books balance, they have done their job.

If your naive belief was actually true, people providing oversight would have been able to account for the trillions that have gone missing over the years.  So, please don't pretend to lecture on how appropriations and funding processes work. 

The proof nobody is providing adult supervision is in the results.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #106 on: February 27, 2025, 12:03:29 PM »
How much time have you spent in federal government?

You have no idea what the funding processes actually look like.

Every high-level agency gets a discretionary pot of money to spend on anything they see as needed but not otherwise funded.

Once Congress and the President pass a budget, the money is allocated by law.  Any middlemen are just accounting and finance workers who dispurse the funds to organizations whose leaders then allocate the funds down to subordinate organizations to fund activities.

In the case of USAID, the money is sent directly to that program.  The people running it decide who gets how much.

You seem to have this misconception that there are people like Musk in the process making sure funding has a person or section that oversees the money to make sure it is spent responsibly.  That perception is totally wrong.  The only oversight is AFTER THE FACT, where someone who cares about the duty to be responsible sees what was spent, how it was spent, and why it was spent.  Then they can question whether or not any expenditure was reasonable and justifiable.  Most don't care.  As long as the books balance, they have done their job.

If your naive belief was actually true, people providing oversight would have been able to account for the trillions that have gone missing over the years.  So, please don't pretend to lecture on how appropriations and funding processes work. 

The proof nobody is providing adult supervision is in the results.

Just because you (the public) doesn't see every detail of how they money is being spend doesn't mean there is no supervision of it all.

When a group or agency wants federal grant money they have to fill out applications and explain why they want to use the grant money and how that grant money will be used to achieve the goals of the grant. Congress doesn't have to allocate each dollar to a single specific agency rather it can allocate money to specific areas needing funding which will then be distributed by certain agencies, such as USAID, to achieve the goals set forth by congress.

Grant money is sometimes mismanaged, wasted, and stolen (I know a guy who got fired for abusing grant money) but it isn't the case that someone is just throwing out money without oversight or records.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #107 on: February 27, 2025, 12:19:53 PM »
Just because you (the public) doesn't see every detail of how they money is being spend doesn't mean there is no supervision of it all.
Stupid argument.  That's like saying "Just because you can't see ghosts doesn't mean they aren't real."  We see the results of how our money is stolen and wasted.  if you see footprints appearing in the sand and there's nobody that you can see making them, then you have evidence there are ghosts.  Same with the results of how our money is spent without proper controls.

When a group or agency wants federal grant money they have to fill out applications and explain why they want to use the grant money and how that grant money will be used to achieve the goals of the grant. Congress doesn't have to allocate each dollar to a single specific agency rather it can allocate money to specific areas needing funding which will then be distributed by certain agencies, such as USAID, to achieve the goals set forth by congress.
Wrong.  Look up baseline budgeting and omnibus spending bills.  Do you even grasp how large the federal budget is and how many pages one must
 wade through to see where it all goes?  We don't have a budget in place at the moment.  it was due in October for FY2025.  do you honestly believe there are tight controls on spending when a budget doesn't even exist?


Grant money is sometimes mismanaged, wasted, and stolen (I know a guy who got fired for abusing grant money) but it isn't the case that someone is just throwing out money without oversight or records.
you proved my point in your anecdote.  You believe the money is managed as it is allocated.  in fact, things like your friend abusing government grants wasn't discovered until after the fact.  i doubt your friend ever paid a dime back to the government.

At USAID, Waste and Abuse Runs Deep
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For decades, the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) has
been unaccountable to taxpayers as it funnels massive
sums of money to the ridiculous — and, in many cases, malicious —
pet projects of entrenched bureaucrats, with next-to-no oversight.

Here are only a few examples of the WASTE and ABUSE:
***
$1.5 million to “advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and
business communities”

$70,000 for production of a “DEI musical” in Ireland

$2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam

$47,000 for a “transgender opera” in Colombia

$32,000 for a “transgender comic book” in Peru

$2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala

$6 million to fund tourism in Egypt

Hundreds of thousands of dollars for a non-profit linked to designated terrorist
organizations — even AFTER an inspector general launched an investigation

Millions to EcoHealth Alliance — which was involved in research at the Wuhan lab

“Hundreds of thousands of meals that went to al Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria”

Funding to print “personalized” contraceptives birth control devices in developing
countries

Hundreds of millions of dollars to fund “irrigation canals, farming equipment, and
even fertilizer used to support the unprecedented poppy cultivation and heroin
production in Afghanistan,” benefiting the Taliban
***
The list literally goes on and on — and it has all been happening for decades.

Under President Trump, the waste, fraud, and abuse ENDS NOW.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/02/at-usaid-waste-and-abuse-runs-deep/

it's not just my opinion that there's insufficient oversight and controls on spending.  it's a verified FACT!!!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #108 on: February 27, 2025, 01:23:05 PM »

eyeeatingfish

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #109 on: February 28, 2025, 11:23:52 AM »
Stupid argument.  That's like saying "Just because you can't see ghosts doesn't mean they aren't real."  We see the results of how our money is stolen and wasted.  if you see footprints appearing in the sand and there's nobody that you can see making them, then you have evidence there are ghosts.  Same with the results of how our money is spent without proper controls.

You miss my point here, I am saying that the public doesn't get to know about the ins and outs of every level of government but that doesn't mean there is no supervision or audit etc of expenditures. I think you will find a wide spectrum meaning I think you will find some money is well managed and spent in accordance to its original purpose and you will have other examples where money is terribly managed/spent.


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Wrong.  Look up baseline budgeting and omnibus spending bills.  Do you even grasp how large the federal budget is and how many pages one must
 wade through to see where it all goes?  We don't have a budget in place at the moment.  it was due in October for FY2025.  do you honestly believe there are tight controls on spending when a budget doesn't even exist?

I didn't say there are tight spending controls. I think there are clear examples of waste, mismanagement and fraud fully justifying these audits.


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you proved my point in your anecdote.  You believe the money is managed as it is allocated.  in fact, things like your friend abusing government grants wasn't discovered until after the fact.  i doubt your friend ever paid a dime back to the government.

He was not my friend.
I didn't say I believe all money is managed as it was allocated. Sooner or later someone will cheat and abuse grant money.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #110 on: February 28, 2025, 11:35:02 AM »
You miss my point here, I am saying that the public doesn't get to know about the ins and outs of every level of government but that doesn't mean there is no supervision or audit etc of expenditures. I think you will find a wide spectrum meaning I think you will find some money is well managed and spent in accordance to its original purpose and you will have other examples where money is terribly managed/spent.


I didn't say there are tight spending controls. I think there are clear examples of waste, mismanagement and fraud fully justifying these audits.

Bullcrap.  That's our money, and we have a right to know how our money is being spent.  The only exception should be if the entire thing is classified.  But then, that shouldn't be rolled in with a bunch of unclassified charitable programs, should it?  If it's classified, it should be a separate spending allocation so national security is being protected.

You preach that we have the ability to vote out the people who misuse and abuse our treasure, and then argue that the government can merely hide the "ins and outs" of the money they spend.  Seems like a Catch 22.



He was not my friend.  That changes nothing i said.
I didn't say I believe all money is managed as it was allocated. Sooner or later someone will cheat and abuse grant money.

If even one program is not being managed as allocated, then all programs can potentially become the same.  Problems like this are not isolated.  The temptation to misuse funds for personal reasons or embezzle the money under a corrupt and incompetent administration is too risky to simply trust the people placed in charge.  Without transparency, they are able to get away with billions before anyone does an audit.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #111 on: February 28, 2025, 11:57:47 AM »
Bullcrap.  That's our money, and we have a right to know how our money is being spent.  The only exception should be if the entire thing is classified.  But then, that shouldn't be rolled in with a bunch of unclassified charitable programs, should it?  If it's classified, it should be a separate spending allocation so national security is being protected.

You preach that we have the ability to vote out the people who misuse and abuse our treasure, and then argue that the government can merely hide the "ins and outs" of the money they spend.  Seems like a Catch 22.

I am not against transparency at all.


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That changes nothing i said.

It doesn't have to change anything. I am correcting it because it was an inaccurate statement and if I didn't you might falsely believe he was my friend.


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If even one program is not being managed as allocated, then all programs can potentially become the same.  Problems like this are not isolated.  The temptation to misuse funds for personal reasons or embezzle the money under a corrupt and incompetent administration is too risky to simply trust the people placed in charge.  Without transparency, they are able to get away with billions before anyone does an audit.

I am all for transparency

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #112 on: March 08, 2025, 07:59:02 AM »
Act blue funded groups involved with the Tesla protest.

More investigation underway.

IYKYK what act blue is about.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #113 on: March 08, 2025, 12:44:59 PM »
Act blue funded groups involved with the Tesla protest.

More investigation underway.

IYKYK what act blue is about.
Not sure how this is related to  DOGE other than both Tesla and DOGE are headed by Musk.

ACT BLUE is going down the same way ACORN did, only in a grander spectacle. 

ActBlue Fundraising Platform in Turmoil As Executives
Resign and the Last Lawyer Has His Email Shut Off

https://redstate.com/streiff/2025/03/07/leftist-fundraising-platform-in-turmoil-as-executives-resign-and-the-last-lawyer-has-his-email-shut-off-n2186411

Potential ActBlue criminal charges over possible fraud
donations once again reveal the Dems’ fraud campaign

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/potential-actblue-criminal-charges-over-possible-fraud-donations-once-again-reveal-the-dems-fraud-campaign/ar-AA1qQv0D
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #114 on: March 08, 2025, 03:01:27 PM »
Not sure how this is related to  DOGE other than both Tesla and DOGE are headed by Musk.

ACT BLUE is going down the same way ACORN did, only in a grander spectacle. 

ActBlue Fundraising Platform in Turmoil As Executives
Resign and the Last Lawyer Has His Email Shut Off

https://redstate.com/streiff/2025/03/07/leftist-fundraising-platform-in-turmoil-as-executives-resign-and-the-last-lawyer-has-his-email-shut-off-n2186411

Potential ActBlue criminal charges over possible fraud
donations once again reveal the Dems’ fraud campaign

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/potential-actblue-criminal-charges-over-possible-fraud-donations-once-again-reveal-the-dems-fraud-campaign/ar-AA1qQv0D
Elon posted about it.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #115 on: March 08, 2025, 03:26:06 PM »
Elon posted about it.

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Right.  There's a theoretical link between DOGE and ACT BLUE: USAID.

The theory is some of the USAID monies were sent to NGOs (Non-Government Organizations, typically non-profits) in the form of government grants, and some of that money found its way into the campaign coffers of Democrats through ACT BLUE.

It's basically a money laundering process using our taxes to elect Democrats.

We have to wait for the new DOJ to send raid teams out to gather evidence before it's destroyed.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #116 on: March 10, 2025, 08:44:00 AM »
I pass a NGO on the way to work for the past 2 years.  It's a free law service.  I've never seen anyone in the offfice and the doors are always locked. Granted, I don't pass buy on the weekends or after 5pm, so maybe they open after hours?

Last week, I saw movers moving furniture out.  I'm guessing their funding was cut, so they had to vacate.

My friend in Vegas says at 1 of the malls, theres a medicare office in 1 of the spots. He always sees an grandpa age guy working the desk, but no one is ever in there but him.  That spot is gone now.

I do know of NGO's who do use the funds to do HI specific programs like wildlife stuff.  And they're concerned about funding.  1 was even told that they were the last ones to get paid by the fed grant.

I know of 1 other NGO taht the "owner" doesn't work another job.  So the NGO is her full time gig.  I highly doubt she's putting in 40hrs a week.  She host 1 event a month at the most.  Events do take lots of planning, but it seems like a sweet paycheck.

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #117 on: March 17, 2025, 08:37:01 AM »
More and more Tesla's being damaged by crazy liberals.

1st elon made EV's cool, the thing that climate change hoax activist wanted was more to drive EV"s.  Then they said they don't like his EV's cause he made too much money (capitalism).  I guess 1 is supposed to break even when selling the most popular EV's.

Now they're calling him a Nazi and damaging his cars and setting up protest outside of his stores.

This further shows that one should never give in to the peer pressure from the left.  They forever move goal post and you won't win.

I wonder if it's possible for these people to be charged for domestic terrorism. 

QUIETShooter

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #118 on: March 17, 2025, 11:54:36 AM »
The left has lost it's way.  biden made it worse and nobody can fix it.

The right has also meandered off course.  But President Trump will fix that.

President Trump will hold to his promises and leave the left alone while they inevitably destroy themselves.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #119 on: March 18, 2025, 03:27:00 PM »
On SSHOT, there is a vid of a guy spitting on a Tesla. The people tracked him down and his name is Tim Longbrake.  He got a civilian award with the local Marine Corps Family Team Building as he's on their IG page.

Guess he reached out to someone who knows the owner and he said that he lost his job due to DOGE and Musk, and that's why he spit on the Tesla. He also offered to pay for a car wash.

Maybe he thinks that his spit would hurt Elon?