DOGE Thread (Read 23384 times)

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #120 on: April 10, 2025, 08:17:20 AM »
Initial DOGE report on unemployement insurance:

Since 2020
24,000 people over 115 years old claimed $54 million in benefits

28,000 people ages 1-5 claimed $254 million benefits

9700 people with future birth dates 15 years in the future have claimed $69 million in benefits

1 person with birthday 2154 claimed $41K in beneifts.


I'm not 100% sure how UI works, but is "benefits" mean payments?  Or could that also mean other services like health care that don't deal with cash?

oldfart

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #121 on: April 10, 2025, 08:59:29 AM »
THey stopped social security for some people and the left is upset and called DOGE liars.

DOGE"s reply,  These 12 are over 150 years old.

The left is still upset cause "you said you won't stop SS payments".
....
Fwiw, I retired and get social security. My thing came in yesterday. Now I can buy beer and bullets. 🤣🤣🤣
What, Me Worry?

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #122 on: April 10, 2025, 09:43:27 AM »
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Fwiw, I retired and get social security. My thing came in yesterday. Now I can buy beer and bullets. 🤣🤣🤣

I mean, you're an old fart, but not 150 years old.  :rofl:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #123 on: April 10, 2025, 01:44:00 PM »
Initial DOGE report on unemployement insurance:

Since 2020
24,000 people over 115 years old claimed $54 million in benefits

28,000 people ages 1-5 claimed $254 million benefits

9700 people with future birth dates 15 years in the future have claimed $69 million in benefits

1 person with birthday 2154 claimed $41K in beneifts.


I'm not 100% sure how UI works, but is "benefits" mean payments?  Or could that also mean other services like health care that don't deal with cash?

Benefits are anything the government pays either to you or on your behalf.

Those payments may go directly to the company providing the care as a disbursement for a claim they filed.

Worker's Comp insurance is actually a policy the employer is supposed to maintain and pay premiums for.  With UI, the tax payers are on the hook for that.

Worker's Comp insurance is one of the easiest and most common scams around.  My brother takes fast food restaurants and fixes the problems that are causing them to not be profitable.  One way is to carefully screen new employees who are hired to replace to useless ones he fires.  Too many times, someone will take a job just long enough to qualify for worker's comp or unemployment, then do something like fake an injury on the job or force the store to fire them.  Then they file for benefits and play video games until the money runs out.  Then they do it all over again.  Looking into their work history and actually calling former employers can identify these scammers.

It was telling when watching The People's Court, and the judge would ask the plaintiff bringing the lawsuit, "What do you do for a living?"  A huge percentage replied, "I'm on disability."  That answer set the tone for the judge in deciding if the person filing the lawsuit is a scammer.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #124 on: April 10, 2025, 03:04:35 PM »
That's why I was asking. From what I know, UI only pays benefits in the form of money to the unemployed person making the claim.  They do not pay to provide medical for them. That's what somethign like COBRA would be for, which the unemployed individual has to pay for directly.

Compare this to workers comp (in HI).  They will give you money (like UI would), up to 2/3's of your weekly wage and pay for medical bills/drugs (UI won't do this).  Then even go a step further if need be to retrain you to do a different occupation due to your injury preventing you form coming back to work (UI won't do this).


What I was trying to find out is can a 115 year old get other UI benefits besides "cash", like carehome payments or something.

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #125 on: April 10, 2025, 03:34:47 PM »
4got to mention this, I thought Elon was only staying on till this month?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #126 on: April 10, 2025, 03:51:19 PM »
That's why I was asking. From what I know, UI only pays benefits in the form of money to the unemployed person making the claim.  They do not pay to provide medical for them. That's what somethign like COBRA would be for, which the unemployed individual has to pay for directly.

Compare this to workers comp (in HI).  They will give you money (like UI would), up to 2/3's of your weekly wage and pay for medical bills/drugs (UI won't do this).  Then even go a step further if need be to retrain you to do a different occupation due to your injury preventing you form coming back to work (UI won't do this).


What I was trying to find out is can a 115 year old get other UI benefits besides "cash", like carehome payments or something.

You have the Unemployment benefits right, but not Worker's comp.

Worker's comp pays for both loss of income as well as medical, but only if the injury or medical condition was work-related. 

The short answer is, state benefits are limited to a percentage of your regular pay, but all necessary surgeries, treatments, physical therapy, medical aids (braces or canes), and medications are paid for you 100%.  You don't even have to pay your regular co-pays on office visits or prescriptions. All my visits were with Occupational Medicine and Physical Therapy.

if you have supplemental disability insurance at work or from an outside source like AFLAC, you can get as much as 100% of your income covered by WC payments -- at least for a certain amount of time.

*** LONG STORY ALERT ***

I needed carpal tunnel surgery on both my wrists and filed worker's comp for the on-the-job repetitive stress injury.

Luckily, I was paying for supplemental insurance.  I received 100% of my salary for 12 weeks (3 months) after which it was to drop tp 80%.  I went back to work the week it was supposed to be reduced. 

Initially, Kaiser did a nerve conductivity test to verify the median nerve was indeed causing carpal tunnel syndrome symptoms.

I went to physical therapy before the surgeries where they tested my hands for strength and so on, and fitted me with custom rigid wrist braces mainly for sleeping as that's when the pain and numbness occurred.  After the surgery, they gave me softer wrist braces to wear as the incisions healed.

Since they didn't want to leave me without one hand to use, they operated on one hand, let it heal a few weeks so i could use it, then operated on the second one.  After a month of healing, I went to PT to regain strength in my hand.  The process of doing one then the other took about 3 months.

The entire time, i was prescribed narcotics for post-operative pain.

When the doctor i first went to asked what i did for a living (computer professional), she sent me straight to Kaiser's Occupational Medicine Clinic where they filed my Worker's Comp claim.

In the end, I was lucky to have sought treatment early before the nerves were permanently damaged.  After the surgeries and PT were complete, i was sent to an outside doctor for final evaluation.  My had strength was actually measuring better than before the surgery, so all the weekly PT and squeezing medical-grade PlayDoh everyday worked for me. 

The state sent me a check for $750 to settle the case -- payment for the scars on my wrists from surgery.  There was no measurable loss of function.  The only noticeable longterm issue is i tend to drop things -- a lot.  My  hands don't automatically sense how much pressure to apply when holding or carrying something, and my hand just drops whatever it is.  I have to consciously think about what's in my hands so my brain tells them to hold on.  It's not all the time, but it's really annoying when it happens.

So, depending on the situation, WC takes pretty good care of you for a few months after a job-related injury.  Beyond that, payments start to decrease.  If you're having longterm issues, then you'd fall more under Social Security and Medicaid.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2025, 04:04:42 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #127 on: April 10, 2025, 03:52:39 PM »
4got to mention this, I thought Elon was only staying on till this month?

i think he'll be leaving soon, but DOGE will still be doing the work he started.  I imagine he'll be available for  consulting if they need him, but he's gotten the ball rolling pretty well.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

astroboy

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #128 on: April 12, 2025, 12:36:00 AM »
More on the subject of the great Biden immigration fraud.


eyeeatingfish

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #129 on: April 12, 2025, 10:38:27 AM »
Initial DOGE report on unemployement insurance:

Since 2020
24,000 people over 115 years old claimed $54 million in benefits

28,000 people ages 1-5 claimed $254 million benefits

9700 people with future birth dates 15 years in the future have claimed $69 million in benefits

1 person with birthday 2154 claimed $41K in beneifts.


I'm not 100% sure how UI works, but is "benefits" mean payments?  Or could that also mean other services like health care that don't deal with cash?

I hope for Musk's and DOGE's sake these reports are accurate.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #130 on: April 12, 2025, 11:55:35 AM »
I hope for Musk's and DOGE's sake these reports are accurate.

I hope for your sake you don't forget to breathe.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

astroboy

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #131 on: April 12, 2025, 01:06:49 PM »
I hope for Musk's and DOGE's sake these reports are accurate.


These findings will benefit nearly ALL Americans, no matter your political beliefs..
If you were not part of the fraud, you have nothing to fear.
Only the far left globalists are standing in the way.

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #132 on: April 14, 2025, 08:50:25 AM »
I hope for Musk's and DOGE's sake these reports are accurate.

Haven't you learned by now, it doesn't matter how accurate anything he or Trump does.  The left will look for any reason to bash them.  OMG, he was off by $100K.  He's a nazi.

eyeeatingfish

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #133 on: April 16, 2025, 03:04:56 PM »
I hope for your sake you don't forget to breathe.

And here comes the mud throwing. Is there a lot of mud under the bridge for you to take from?

eyeeatingfish

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #134 on: April 16, 2025, 03:17:17 PM »

These findings will benefit nearly ALL Americans, no matter your political beliefs..
If you were not part of the fraud, you have nothing to fear.
Only the far left globalists are standing in the way.

My point is that the findings better be accurate or trust will be eroded. If Musk goes around cutting billions of dollars, we all celebrate, and then most of it gets put right back because they weren't good cuts then it looks like it was just political. There was already the mistake of $8 million savings being reported as $8 billion but Musk admitted to the mistake and that kind of mistake is excusable once in a while. When too many of the sensational claims about government waste Musk and his team rooted out turn out to be false then he is just feeding us what we want to hear instead of actually solving the problem. A number of Musk's claims have already been shown inaccurate or misleading so I view reports of him having found more money to save with a bit of skepticism. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #135 on: April 16, 2025, 03:19:13 PM »
And here comes the mud throwing. Is there a lot of mud under the bridge for you to take from?

Illustrating how irrelevant and useless your previous post is.

Unless you have some basis to believe the DOGE reports in question are incorrect then you're just posting for no good reason.

And what are you implying by saying "for Musk's sake?"  What do you think the consequences would be for Elon if they happen to contain errors? 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #136 on: April 16, 2025, 03:22:28 PM »
Illustrating how irrelevant and useless your previous post is.

Unless you have some basis to believe the DOGE reports in question are incorrect then you're just posting for no good reason.

And what are you implying by saying "for Musk's sake?"  What do you think the consequences would be for Elon if they happen to contain errors?

Didn't know integrity and accuracy were irrelevant to you. I guess that explains a lot.

Yes, there are a number of examples to believe DOGE reports are incorrect.

What are the implications? Loss of trust not to mention the irony of the office thats supposed to root out waste and fraud being wasteful and fraudulent.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #137 on: April 16, 2025, 03:27:53 PM »
Didn't know integrity and accuracy were irrelevant to you. I guess that explains a lot.

Yes, there are a number of examples to believe DOGE reports are incorrect.

Why are you questioning the integrity and accuracy without anything to base it on?  One or two previous reports having errors WHICH WERE ADMITTED TO AND CORRECTED does not mean all future reports will have errors.

Remember, Musk's team is acquiring the data from the people managing the programs and agencies being audited.  It's not a stretch to believe an agency unable to account for billions in allocated funds might not have perfect bookkeeping.

One thing worse than releasing an inaccurate report is having the report's accuracy questioned before anyone ever reads it.  Musk doesn't have to be perfect.  He's being transparent.  Any errors can be quickly identified and corrected with more eyes on it.

Just stop.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #138 on: April 17, 2025, 08:16:42 AM »
Didn't know integrity and accuracy were irrelevant to you. I guess that explains a lot.

Yes, there are a number of examples to believe DOGE reports are incorrect.

What are the implications? Loss of trust not to mention the irony of the office thats supposed to root out waste and fraud being wasteful and fraudulent.

There's that "integrity word", which you don't understand what it means. Brb, going to 7-11 for integrity.

changemyoil66

Re: DOGE Thread
« Reply #139 on: April 17, 2025, 08:17:40 AM »
Why are you questioning the integrity and accuracy without anything to base it on?  One or two previous reports having errors WHICH WERE ADMITTED TO AND CORRECTED does not mean all future reports will have errors.

Remember, Musk's team is acquiring the data from the people managing the programs and agencies being audited.  It's not a stretch to believe an agency unable to account for billions in allocated funds might not have perfect bookkeeping.

One thing worse than releasing an inaccurate report is having the report's accuracy questioned before anyone ever reads it.  Musk doesn't have to be perfect.  He's being transparent.  Any errors can be quickly identified and corrected with more eyes on it.

Just stop.

One would say that correcting an error shows integrity.  Many don't correct errors or admit when they're made. #integrity