Is Komrade Karl judiciary? Who do we have to hassle to get this scheduled?

I feel for that father that lost his son on agricultural land.

So, is this bill only pertaining to agricultural land?

Stand your ground is common sense.  It should be everywhere.  And anywhere.

And we should all be able to freely choose whatever "tools" appropriate to make that possible.

I have yet to ubderstand why self-defense laws on "ag land" have any reason to be different than self-defense laws on any other land.

I have yet to ubderstand why self-defense laws on "ag land" have any reason to be different than self-defense laws on any other land.

No reason for any difference.  It's just one more chapter in people starting to wake up to the fact that law enforcement can't protect us from criminals, and the laws are designed to make self-defense as fraught with legal tripwires as possible. 

Personally, I think lawmakers have a mentality that no property is worth anyone losing their life over, so they protect the criminals and prosecute the victims if they use lethal force.

Ag land does have a higher risk of being targets of crime than that of residential or business property.  That doesn't mean their ability to defend themselves is any more important, but it's part of why people are demanding more latitude to protect themselves and their property. 

Hawaii Farmers Face Risk of Crime Daily.
Is A Killing Enough To Spur Reform?

Farmers and ranchers are in constant battle with trespassers,
would-be cattle rustlers, vandals and thieves who largely escape
punishment with law enforcement often miles away. If offenders
are caught, prosecutions are rare and the penalties are feeble.

https://www.civilbeat.org/2024/12/hawaii-farmers-face-risk-of-crime-daily-is-a-murder-enough-to-spur-reform/

i don't care if i never have a need to defend myself.  If i want to be armed, it's my right.  I don't think the bill of rights should be treated as a bill of needs.

My subdivision in Puna is 12.5 square miles.  You could put all of Kailua, including the marsh in it and still have close to 2 square miles leftover.

To picture it another way, all of Mililani and Pearl City would fit in my subdivision.

The whole area is designated ag zone and almost every house has guns. I think most people here would stand their ground whether there was a law or not.

My subdivision in Puna is 12.5 square miles.  You could put all of Kailua, including the marsh in it and still have close to 2 square miles leftover.

To picture it another way, all of Mililani and Pearl City would fit in my subdivision.

The whole area is designated ag zone and almost every house has guns. I think most people here would stand their ground whether there was a law or not.

If we could get them all to show up to a rally at the capitol it would send a powerful message.

Btw security guards have entered the chat:

https://www.kitv.com/news/vicious-beretania-street-stabbing-heightens-concerns-for-hawaii-s-security-guards/video_d38c8692-b580-5a18-879d-536d26e1a90b.html

I have yet to ubderstand why self-defense laws on "ag land" have any reason to be different than self-defense laws on any other land.

It doesn't and he doesnt' know what the law is. But all G since this is ok in my book.

"retreat to complete safety" is the phrase.  So no, he doesn't have to go all the way back to his home.  And you can use deadly force outside of your home or business.

If we could get them all to show up to a rally at the capitol it would send a powerful message.

According to the 2020 census,  there are only 1150 people living in my subdivision.   Most in unpermitted homes.  Spread out evenly, each person would have 303,026 square ft of land. When you understand the remoteness, you understand why firearms are necessary and why nobody bothers to check or call police when they hear gunshots. 

I might propose a partial stand your ground to gauge input next year.  No duty to retreat if someone is robbing you of a firearm even if they don't know you have one.

Hard for the anti gunners to oppose that

I might propose a partial stand your ground to gauge input next year.  No duty to retreat if someone is robbing you of a firearm even if they don't know you have one.

Hard for the anti gunners to oppose that

Glad the focus is switching to offense. I think a lot of prominent democrats and their hangers on are looking at significant prison time.
That would weaken the local party enough where they will start considering "different views" especially when the NGO envelopes under the table get noticeably thinner