If the US had enemies at the gates they would have done the same thing if they were in Russia's shoes.

The terrain at the Ukraine/Russia border is just flat all the way to Moscow.  Nobody in their right mind is going to sit around and do nothing while the enemy is literally at the gates.

We would have invaded a non-hostile sovereign nation, bombed civilian targets, assassinated our own citizens who disagreed with the war, etc.?

We would have invaded a non-hostile sovereign nation, bombed civilian targets, assassinated our own citizens who disagreed with the war, etc.?

We invaded Iraq a 2nd time for similar.

Bad intel aka no reason to invade
non-hostile nation to the USA
bombed civilians whether on purpose or accident

What we didn't do is assassinate our own citizens...that you know of anyways.

Then there's the war in A-stan. We were at war with the T-ban/AQ and not the Afgan Government.  I mean the ANA helped us.
So invaded a non-hostile nation
Bombed civilians, whether on purpose or accident.

What we didn't do is assassinate our own citizens.

Then there's vietnam and see above, same thing.  But our citizens were assassinated and is public knowledge.

Desert Storm, we were asked for help when Kuwait was invaded by Iraq.
WW2 we were attacked by the Japs.
WW1 the allies needed our help and we went in after saying no only toward the end.

You said "Meh.  He's not wrong." in response to Trump's quote which included Trump saying Ukraine started the war.

Thanks for telling me what I posted. 

I don't have the amnesia you do, but I guess it's better than you lying about what I said.

You lying about what Trump said is enough.

This is what Trump said:

“You’ve been there for three years. You should have ended it....
You should have never started it. You could have made a deal.”

He unfortunately included the word "started' in his statement, but he did not state "Ukraine started the war."  He was trying to say that the entire war was avoidable -- which it was.  His comment is about how Ukraine's president did nothing to prevent the war.  in effect, if you have the chance to stop a war from happening and do nothing, then you do have some blame for letting it begin.  He's the President of a major nation, not some guy in the NYC subway refusing to get involved when a thug is harassing passengers.  He has a duty to use diplomacy.

Explain what steps Ukraine took to dissuade Russia from invading back in 2022 other than empty threats of military force. 

Trump showed little patience for Ukraine’s objections to being
excluded from the talks. He said repeatedly that Ukraine’s leaders
never should have allowed the war to begin, suggesting the
country should have been willing to make concessions to Russia
before the 2022 invasion.

https://time.com/7234211/russia-us-talks-ukraine-saudi-arabia/

#Nuance

Thanks for telling me what I posted. 

I don't have the amnesia you do, but I guess it's better than you lying about what I said.

You lying about what Trump said is enough.

This is what Trump said:
He unfortunately included the word "started' in his statement, but he did not state "Ukraine started the war."  He was trying to say that the entire war was avoidable -- which it was.  His comment is about how Ukraine's president did nothing to prevent the war.  in effect, if you have the chance to stop a war from happening and do nothing, then you do have some blame for letting it begin.  He's the President of a major nation, not some guy in the NYC subway refusing to get involved when a thug is harassing passengers.  He has a duty to use diplomacy.

Explain what steps Ukraine took to dissuade Russia from invading back in 2022 other than empty threats of military force. 
https://time.com/7234211/russia-us-talks-ukraine-saudi-arabia/

#Nuance

What happens when a country elects an actor/dancer as a leader.  I mean, he does at least have XP running a TV production company, but he's not ready to play with the big boyz.

We would have invaded a non-hostile sovereign nation, bombed civilian targets, assassinated our own citizens who disagreed with the war, etc.?

No, and you know the US wouldn't do that.  I'm just trying to say that nobody in their right mind would sit back and do nothing while the enemy woos a neighbor that is corrupt.

lul

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1893099177783001431

lul

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1893099177783001431

I like how the fake news still thinks negative on what he's doing. Canada and Mexico tariffs, now this. Look who caved again.

We invaded Iraq a 2nd time for similar.

Bad intel aka no reason to invade
non-hostile nation to the USA
bombed civilians whether on purpose or accident

What we didn't do is assassinate our own citizens...that you know of anyways.

Then there's the war in A-stan. We were at war with the T-ban/AQ and not the Afgan Government.  I mean the ANA helped us.
So invaded a non-hostile nation
Bombed civilians, whether on purpose or accident.

What we didn't do is assassinate our own citizens.

Then there's vietnam and see above, same thing.  But our citizens were assassinated and is public knowledge.

Desert Storm, we were asked for help when Kuwait was invaded by Iraq.
WW2 we were attacked by the Japs.
WW1 the allies needed our help and we went in after saying no only toward the end.

 
I will not defend the war in Vietnam or in Iraq as just wars but I do not think they are good analogues to Russia's justification for attacking Ukraine. The goals alone are vastly different between Russia's attack and the US intervention in any of those wars.

Thanks for telling me what I posted. 

I don't have the amnesia you do, but I guess it's better than you lying about what I said.

You lying about what Trump said is enough.

You asked me where you said something, then I post it, and your response is to tell me you know what you said. Then you call me a lair and post Trump's quote which I already posted...

This is what Trump said:
He unfortunately included the word "started' in his statement, but he did not state "Ukraine started the war."  He was trying to say that the entire war was avoidable -- which it was.

He didn't need to state "Ukraine started the war", given the grammar and context there is no other country he could have been referring to. If Trump had come out the next day and said "I misspoke, I was talking fast and I said something incorrect which is not what I meant to say" then I could give Trump the benefit of the doubt but did the mature leader of our country do that? No he doubled down with his comments.

He has a duty to use diplomacy.

Diplomacy? You mean capitulating to a bully country trying to take your land? I wonder how diplomatic the USA would be if Russia demanded part of the USA. You expect Ukraine to beg for their life and face being back under the thumb of a dictator rather than fight for their freedom then blame them if they choose to fight for their freedom.

Explain what steps Ukraine took to dissuade Russia from invading back in 2022 other than empty threats of military force. 
https://time.com/7234211/russia-us-talks-ukraine-saudi-arabia/
#Nuance

Russia wanted to take over Ukraine. What steps could Ukraine have taken to dissuade Russia other than a full surrender? You are essentially engaging in victim blaming. The robbery victim didn't do enough to convince the robber not to beat him up when taking his wallet.

No, and you know the US wouldn't do that.  I'm just trying to say that nobody in their right mind would sit back and do nothing while the enemy woos a neighbor that is corrupt.

Ukraine does have issues with corruption, I agree with that point but it isn't like Russia is the noble nation invading to stop some terrible injustice.

When you say an enemy woos a corrupt neighbor, do you mean to suggest Russia's enemy was wooing Ukraine? Ukraine wasn't trying to join NATO, it was trying to be its own country instead of being under the thumb of Russia. In the end, all Russia has done is make their enemies (NATO) stronger and make Russia weaker.

lul

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1893099177783001431

Giving mineral rights to the USA in exchange for protection from annihilation seems quite reasonable.

I like how the fake news still thinks negative on what he's doing. Canada and Mexico tariffs, now this. Look who caved again.

Canada and Mexico really didn't cave.
What Trump claimed as a victory for Canada was something Canada had already planned to do, Trump just acted like he accomplished something.
As for Mexico, it was a two way agreement. Mexico had to step up enforcement and so did the USA.

Canada and Mexico really didn't cave.
What Trump claimed as a victory for Canada was something Canada had already planned to do, Trump just acted like he accomplished something.
As for Mexico, it was a two way agreement. Mexico had to step up enforcement and so did the USA.

Really?

So, why didn't Canada "plan" to do what Trump wanted while Biden was occupying the White House?

Really?

So, why didn't Canada "plan" to do what Trump wanted while Biden was occupying the White House?

Don't know. Maybe they were two steps ahead of Trump and saved it in case Trump played the tariff card?

Don't know. Maybe they were two steps ahead of Trump and saved it in case Trump played the tariff card?

The only part of that which sounds true is "Don't know."

Canada and Mexico really didn't cave.
What Trump claimed as a victory for Canada was something Canada had already planned to do, Trump just acted like he accomplished something.
As for Mexico, it was a two way agreement. Mexico had to step up enforcement and so did the USA.

Wrong. Canadas plan to help the US was turned down in their parliament under an emergency vote. There was no alternative deal.  So the deal under Brandon was dead.  Now it's alive again under Trump. 

You need to read beyond headlines sometimes.

The only part of that which sounds true is "Don't know."

I don't know, and neither do you. Difference is that I am not jumping to any conclusions.

Wrong. Canadas plan to help the US was turned down in their parliament under an emergency vote. There was no alternative deal.  So the deal under Brandon was dead.  Now it's alive again under Trump. 

You need to read beyond headlines sometimes.

I suggest you take your own advice

"While Trump said Canada had agreed to take a more aggressive posture on its U.S. border in exchange for a suspension of tariffs, Canada’s parliament had already passed a new border security and drug interdiction bill in December."
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-tariffs-what-concessions-from-mexico-canada-really-mean-rcna190784

I suggest you take your own advice

"While Trump said Canada had agreed to take a more aggressive posture on its U.S. border in exchange for a suspension of tariffs, Canada’s parliament had already passed a new border security and drug interdiction bill in December."
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/trump-tariffs-what-concessions-from-mexico-canada-really-mean-rcna190784

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-pledges-beefed-up-border-immigration-restrictions-appease-trump-2024-12-17/

Note the part how they worked with Trump before he even took office and with his Border Czar.  Many "google" articles all state the same thing. Some even going back to Nov once he won.

Under Brandon, all they had was an agreement about asylum seekers.

Nice try. Thanks for playing.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-pledges-beefed-up-border-immigration-restrictions-appease-trump-2024-12-17/

Note the part how they worked with Trump before he even took office and with his Border Czar.  Many "google" articles all state the same thing. Some even going back to Nov once he won.

Under Brandon, all they had was an agreement about asylum seekers.

Nice try. Thanks for playing.

Nice goalpost moving.