I mean, instead of arguing about things, you could take this approach.  Like how you doubted how trump acted during the Zelinskky meeting.

I would rather see people prosecuted for this than to see any documents.  Epstein is the only guy who trafficked children to no one.

Everyone with any brains predicted Epstein would be suicided before he ever saw the inside of a courtroom.

After he was suicided under the most suspicious circumstances you could imagine, the evidence of what was going on with him has been shielded from public scrutiny.

The people most afraid of the truth coming out orchestrated his death.  They are also orchestrating the cover-ups.

One man in the Oval Office can't fight a network of powerful people working against him.  They have the resources and people already in place to stop full disclosure.  The NYC case is just one cog in the wheel.

When people have so much to lose, they will fight to survive even if it means burning everything to the ground.

I'm actually shocked the evidence still exists, assuming it does.

Everyone with any brains predicted Epstein would be suicided before he ever saw the inside of a courtroom.

After he was suicided under the most suspicious circumstances you could imagine, the evidence of what was going on with him has been shielded from public scrutiny.

The people most afraid of the truth coming out orchestrated his death.  They are also orchestrating the cover-ups.

One man in the Oval Office can't fight a network of powerful people working against him.  They have the resources and people already in place to stop full disclosure.  The NYC case is just one cog in the wheel.

When people have so much to lose, they will fight to survive even if it means burning everything to the ground.

I'm actually shocked the evidence still exists, assuming it does.

I'm gonna say all the important stuff was purged a while ago.

I'm gonna say all the important stuff was purged a while ago.

The only way it survives is if someone with access kept it for an insurance policy or to create an income stream leveraged from the "participants."

The only way it survives is if someone with access kept it for an insurance policy or to create an income stream leveraged from the "participants."

Or their purging sucked.  Like was there a fire in a room filled with so much computer equipment like how the Clintons guest house had one?  The fire chief said he's never seen so much computer equipment in a room.

I'd bet Michael Jackson is on that list.

I'd bet Michael Jackson is on that list.

Jackson was unavailable for comment.

 

DOJ says there is no "client list" and that he did commit suicide.

What a let down.

DOJ says there is no "client list" and that he did commit suicide.

What a let down.

So, the person with the highest public profile in the history of the prison was left unattended for a couple of hours, and the camera covering the areas around his cell just happened to be disabled?

Sorry.  But we live in an age of very effective surveillance and monitoring systems.  You can't tell me nobody thought to install an extra WiFi camera or 2 to monitor him when nobody was physically checking on him?

The only reason there's no video of anyone going into or coming from his cell before and after the suicide, and why the guards were both sleeping, is because it was all part of the plan.

When a museum receives a priceless piece of art on loan, they hire more security and install more sensors and cameras to protect it.  But a very well-known celebrity with ties to the most powerful people on the planet gets Barney Fife, Gomer Pyle and a busted camera?

Right.

So, the person with the highest public profile in the history of the prison was left unattended for a couple of hours, and the camera covering the areas around his cell just happened to be disabled?

Sorry.  But we live in an age of very effective surveillance and monitoring systems.  You can't tell me nobody thought to install an extra WiFi camera or 2 to monitor him when nobody was physically checking on him?

The only reason there's no video of anyone going into or coming from his cell before and after the suicide, and why the guards were both sleeping, is because it was all part of the plan.

When a museum receives a priceless piece of art on loan, they hire more security and install more sensors and cameras to protect it.  But a very well-known celebrity with ties to the most powerful people on the planet gets Barney Fife, Gomer Pyle and a busted camera?

Right.

And that he and Maxwell must have trafficked people to just other regular people too right?  As in no high profile people received these sex victims.

A guy and women with their connects and an island aren't regular pimps you find on the street corner.

I haven't watched the press conference from the WH.  But does her demeanor seem different from prior PC's? As in she knows the DOJ is lying and she has to repeat the lie.

And that he and Maxwell must have trafficked people to just other regular people too right?  As in no high profile people received these sex victims.

A guy and women with their connects and an island aren't regular pimps you find on the street corner.

I haven't watched the press conference from the WH.  But does her demeanor seem different from prior PC's? As in she knows the DOJ is lying and she has to repeat the lie.

Demeanor gets us nowhere.  That's not proof of anything.

What I'm talking about are questions that I've not seen any reasonalbe answers for.

Why is there no video evidence that Jeffrey hanged himself?   The guy should have had at least 2 new cameras installed in his cell and monitored via WiFi and Internet around the clock at mutliple locations.  I have that in my HOUSE, and i don't have a highly valuable prisoner in my living room.

How many home surveillance systems are there on the market?  A RING camera would have been better than what they apparently had.

Points out a long list of conflicting comments and news stories.

https://www.youtube.com/live/f5GSGE0XLQ0

Demeanor gets us nowhere.  That's not proof of anything.

What I'm talking about are questions that I've not seen any reasonalbe answers for.

Why is there no video evidence that Jeffrey hanged himself?   The guy should have had at least 2 new cameras installed in his cell and monitored via WiFi and Internet around the clock at mutliple locations.  I have that in my HOUSE, and i don't have a highly valuable prisoner in my living room.

How many home surveillance systems are there on the market?  A RING camera would have been better than what they apparently had.

It is not at all uncommon to not have cameras in every cell so I am not surprised we don't have video evidence of it.

DOJ says there is no "client list" and that he did commit suicide.

What a let down.

The crappy thing is we will probably never know the truth. No matter how much they release there will always be suspicions that there is more. Bondi, Kash, etc. are all showing they are liars about the Epstein files. Lying about their intention to release or lying about their existence, or lying about lack of existence.

It is not at all uncommon to not have cameras in every cell so I am not surprised we don't have video evidence of it.

Epstein was not a "common" prisoner.  Uncommon & extraordinary measures should have been in place.  The outcome backs up my opinion.

I AM surprised there's no video evidence from inside his cell had anyone actually cared about him living.

Epstein was not a "common" prisoner.  Uncommon & extraordinary measures should have been in place.  The outcome backs up my opinion.

I AM surprised there's no video evidence from inside his cell had anyone actually cared about him living.

It would have certainly helped but I doubt that prisons plan their operations based on what conspiracy theories will pop up if a prisoner dies.

It would have certainly helped but I doubt that prisons plan their operations based on what conspiracy theories will pop up if a prisoner dies.

Please identify where anyone besides you has said any of that.

Epstein was moved to the Special Housing Unit (SHU), nicknamed
"The Hole," where he spent the remainder of his five weeks inside.

The jail wing was home to offenders, including pedophiles, deemed
at risk from other prisoners.

https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-prison-gangs-suicide-extortion-feared-attack-mcc-spider-barry-levine-1540634

If he was deemed "at risk from other prisoners," then why was he not also deemed at risk from anyone with access to him based on his alleged ties to powerful people around the world?

Epstein was not a violent prisoner.  He could have easily been held at a safe house or similar setting to keep him alive until his trial was over.  He could have also bonded out or been placed on house arrest.  Having him in that prison cell was not the only option, so you need to factor that decision into the chain of events and why they happened as well.

Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of procuring a child for prostitution and soliciting
a prostitute in 2008, for which he received an 18-month prison sentence.

He was also charged with sex trafficking of minors in 2019, but he died by suicide
while awaiting trial for those charges

Suicide makes no sense.  He'd been through a conviction for similar crimes already.

Please identify where anyone besides you has said any of that.
https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-prison-gangs-suicide-extortion-feared-attack-mcc-spider-barry-levine-1540634

If he was deemed "at risk from other prisoners," then why was he not also deemed at risk from anyone with access to him based on his alleged ties to powerful people around the world?

Epstein was not a violent prisoner.  He could have easily been held at a safe house or similar setting to keep him alive until his trial was over.  He could have also bonded out or been placed on house arrest.  Having him in that prison cell was not the only option, so you need to factor that decision into the chain of events and why they happened as well.

Suicide makes no sense.  He'd been through a conviction for similar crimes already.

Epstein was been placed in solitary confinement so he was not at risk from an attack by the general population, at least not at the time he died.

Suicide makes perfect sense, he was facing 45 years in prison, he would have died in prison. His chances of winning his case were tiny, his life was essentially over, he went from opulence to prison life. Many in his position would choose to end it sooner than wait for death by natural causes.

If indeed he were a risk to big powerful people he would know they might try to get to him. If he knew anything about prison he would know that pedophiles are often the target of assaults and murders. I find it very plausible he decided to end it on his own time rather than get beaten to death. Prison suicides are quite common, I remember years ago OCCC had 4 in one month.

Epstein was been placed in solitary confinement so he was not at risk from an attack by the general population, at least not at the time he died.

Suicide makes perfect sense, he was facing 45 years in prison, he would have died in prison. His chances of winning his case were tiny, his life was essentially over, he went from opulence to prison life. Many in his position would choose to end it sooner than wait for death by natural causes.

If indeed he were a risk to big powerful people he would know they might try to get to him. If he knew anything about prison he would know that pedophiles are often the target of assaults and murders. I find it very plausible he decided to end it on his own time rather than get beaten to death. Prison suicides are quite common, I remember years ago OCCC had 4 in one month.

I see you were unwilling/unable to "identify where anyone besides you has said any of that, " that being:

It would have certainly helped but I doubt that prisons plan their operations
based on what conspiracy theories will pop up if a prisoner dies.

Epstein was been placed in solitary confinement so he was not at risk from an attack by the general population, at least not at the time he died.

Suicide makes perfect sense, he was facing 45 years in prison, he would have died in prison. His chances of winning his case were tiny, his life was essentially over, he went from opulence to prison life. Many in his position would choose to end it sooner than wait for death by natural causes.

If indeed he were a risk to big powerful people he would know they might try to get to him. If he knew anything about prison he would know that pedophiles are often the target of assaults and murders. I find it very plausible he decided to end it on his own time rather than get beaten to death. Prison suicides are quite common, I remember years ago OCCC had 4 in one month.

Were any of those suicides in special housing away from the general population?

Based on previous reports of Epstein's time in that prison, it was more likely he did not commit suicide without assistance. In fact, just a couple of hours before his death, he sent a text to his lawyer that was a joke.  Shows a positive frame of mind, not depressed or suicidal.

There was no reason for Epstein to kill himself.

No client list means no crimes were committed.

Better set Gis free as well.

Were any of those suicides in special housing away from the general population?

Based on previous reports of Epstein's time in that prison, it was more likely he did not commit suicide without assistance. In fact, just a couple of hours before his death, he sent a text to his lawyer that was a joke.  Shows a positive frame of mind, not depressed or suicidal.