Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops (Read 7523 times)

eyeeatingfish

Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« on: March 24, 2025, 11:03:28 PM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/trump-administration-accidentally-texted-me-its-war-plans/682151/
Journalist Jeffrey Goldberg was added to a government chat thread by Mike Waltz. In that thread Pete Hegseth allegedly shared detailed war plans about Houthi strikes. Hegseth has since denied sending any messages about war plans. The White House National Security Council reported that the messages appeared to be authentic.

The obvious issue is that such sensitive material was released to someone it shouldn't be but the bigger issue is why such information was being shared across a 3rd party texting app. The irony is that Hegseth slammed Hillary Clinton for her unaccountable home server and he is now sharing sensitive materials via a private app. Transparency for thee but not for me it seems.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2025, 11:47:19 PM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/trump-administration-accidentally-texted-me-its-war-plans/682151/
Journalist Jeffrey Goldberg was added to a government chat thread by Mike Waltz. In that thread Pete Hegseth allegedly shared detailed war plans about Houthi strikes. Hegseth has since denied sending any messages about war plans. The White House National Security Council reported that the messages appeared to be authentic.

The obvious issue is that such sensitive material was released to someone it shouldn't be but the bigger issue is why such information was being shared across a 3rd party texting app. The irony is that Hegseth slammed Hillary Clinton for her unaccountable home server and he is now sharing sensitive materials via a private app. Transparency for thee but not for me it seems.
Allegedly.  Appeared to be authentic.  It's not a fact without evidence.  The WH National Security Council is not a person.  It's a group of cabinet members.  Not exactly someone/something you can call a source.

As for the "whatabout Hillary" statement, she was never held accountable for a list of blatant violations as enumerated by comey publicly.  Hypocritically (not "ironically"), you seem to expect Hegseth to be treated differently.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2025, 11:54:30 PM »
They probably leaked it on purpose knowing that the media would breathlessly run the story like it was another "gotcha-gate" but most non-brainwashed Americans would actually appreciate the expressed sentiments.

Congratulations EEF. You're working for Trump now.

You can't unmountain dew what's already been mountain done.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2025, 12:39:08 AM »
They probably leaked it on purpose knowing that the media would breathlessly run the story like it was another "gotcha-gate" but most non-brainwashed Americans would actually appreciate the expressed sentiments.

Congratulations EEF. You're working for Trump now.

Yep.  Like i said -- not evidence.

Besides, when this happens, it's called a "spill."  It's an unintentional dissemination of sensitive data.  Not only do the originator and recipient/s of classified (assuming that's what "sensitive" refers to) need their devices cleaned, but the entire pathway of servers (in this case the app and cell servers) need to be identified and scrubbed.

If it was actually classified, then making it known publicly that it was spilled is an even bigger problem than what Hegseth ALLEGEDLY did.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2025, 09:22:34 AM »
How credible is this journalist?

From what was released seemed to be about shit talking about Europe. Odd to have a serious chat group about war plans and attacking in 2 hours and go off on shit talking about EU.

And if anything was of importance, shame on the journalist for choosing to make a headline over being cool and quiet about it.  "Hey guys, I was included by mistake in this chat group, my name is...".  Basically the journalist is choosing career/5  seconds of fame/TDS over our nation. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2025, 11:33:24 AM »
How credible is this journalist?

From what was released seemed to be about shit talking about Europe. Odd to have a serious chat group about war plans and attacking in 2 hours and go off on shit talking about EU.

And if anything was of importance, shame on the journalist for choosing to make a headline over being cool and quiet about it.  "Hey guys, I was included by mistake in this chat group, my name is...".  Basically the journalist is choosing career/5  seconds of fame/TDS over our nation.

The information that was disclosed, if you can trust the media reporting it, was what's termed "perishable information."  That means that after a short period of time, the information is no longer of any importance.  in my job, we planned, executed, tracked and reworked future plans for aerial warfare.  Perishable data could include the departure or landing times of aircraft, descriptions of assigned targets that have already been hit, as well as aircraft position data as jet aircraft can be hundreds of miles from any given position in a matter of minutes if someone is provided that.

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Hours before the U.S. launched a wave of strikes targeting the Houthis in Yemen
on March 15, Hegseth sent a message with operational information about the
strikes including their targets and what weapons would be used, Goldberg wrote.
Some responded with a prayer emoji.

Goldberg realized the chat was legitimate when the strikes hit Yemen at the time
Hegseth indicated they would in the chat.

"I didn’t think it could be real," The Atlantic article's headline said. "Then the
bombs started falling."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/24/trump-officials-add-journalist-classified-chat/82638362007/

So, plans to bomb were chatted about, the bombing happened, and the one person in the chat that wasn't supposed to be didn't even know if the information was real of not.

"I didn’t think it could be real," The Atlantic article's headline said. "Then the bombs started falling."  Only after the fact was the information made public. Operational security was not impacted at all.

Big nothing burger, but I'm sure this can be a teaching moment for those in high office.

in the meantime, Joe Biden still can't recall what was contained in all the classified documents he had illegally stored at his homes and offices.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2025, 12:06:09 PM »
The information that was disclosed, if you can trust the media reporting it, was what's termed "perishable information."  That means that after a short period of time, the information is no longer of any importance.  in my job, we planned, executed, tracked and reworked future plans for aerial warfare.  Perishable data could include the departure or landing times of aircraft, descriptions of assigned targets that have already been hit, as well as aircraft position data as jet aircraft can be hundreds of miles from any given position in a matter of minutes if someone is provided that.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/24/trump-officials-add-journalist-classified-chat/82638362007/

So, plans to bomb were chatted about, the bombing happened, and the one person in the chat that wasn't supposed to be didn't even know if the information was real of not.

"I didn’t think it could be real," The Atlantic article's headline said. "Then the bombs started falling."  Only after the fact was the information made public. Operational security was not impacted at all.

Big nothing burger, but I'm sure this can be a teaching moment for those in high office.

in the meantime, Joe Biden still can't recall what was contained in all the classified documents he had illegally stored at his homes and offices.

Thanks for that clarification.

But the concept of this isn't good. I would say they need some kind of special phone that can only accept and send text and calls to like phones. So even if a number was entered by accident or intentional, unless the receive has the same type of phone, they won't get the message.  Butt dials do happen and you dont' want to butt dial someone during a sensitive discussion.

I don't see why Pete is the head focus for the fake news.  He wasn't the one who started the group chat.

Even as a mistake, that person should be disciplined for allowing an unauthorized person to be in the chat.

Story time

My friend was an officer with a communication MOS. She said the comms usually be jacked up in Iraq due to user error. So often, communication was made via sat phones.  Unsecured, but it worked better.  This was for minor stuff to bigger things like air strikes.  It was common practice, so no one got in trouble.  Her gripe was that on the radio, there's 1 knob that soldiers are told not to turn, leave it as is.  Often, it gets turned. This is the IT help desk call "is the unit plugged in".

Then when she was in training, cells were often used as well due to the same problem above.

changemyoil66

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2025, 12:10:27 PM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/trump-administration-accidentally-texted-me-its-war-plans/682151/
Journalist Jeffrey Goldberg was added to a government chat thread by Mike Waltz. In that thread Pete Hegseth allegedly shared detailed war plans about Houthi strikes. Hegseth has since denied sending any messages about war plans. The White House National Security Council reported that the messages appeared to be authentic.

The obvious issue is that such sensitive material was released to someone it shouldn't be but the bigger issue is why such information was being shared across a 3rd party texting app. The irony is that Hegseth slammed Hillary Clinton for her unaccountable home server and he is now sharing sensitive materials via a private app. Transparency for thee but not for me it seems.

Having a home server is much different from texting the wrong guy.  Esp since Pete never started the chat, it was Mike.  IDK if Pete has everyones number saved to his contacts. So if there were 30 people in the chat, no one has the time to check all the unsaved numbers, it's the responsibility of Mike, the guy who began the chat.

changemyoil66

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2025, 12:18:27 PM »
Elon talking shit cause he mad he wasn't invited.

Tesla uses their own special encrypted programs so the uninvited cant accidently get the message.  Seems like it's like the phone above I mentioned, but an app.

More fun:

the journalist should have said he wants to be on a carrier to get front row seats in exchange for his silence. 

But now, I'm sure a FISA will be used to monitor all comms for a while on this guy just to make sure he doesnt' leak more info.  Nice way to get yourself monitored just to have 5 seconds of fame.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2025, 12:23:51 PM by changemyoil66 »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2025, 02:02:37 PM »
Thanks for that clarification.

But the concept of this isn't good. I would say they need some kind of special phone that can only accept and send text and calls to like phones. So even if a number was entered by accident or intentional, unless the receive has the same type of phone, they won't get the message.  Butt dials do happen and you dont' want to butt dial someone during a sensitive discussion.

I don't see why Pete is the head focus for the fake news.  He wasn't the one who started the group chat.

Even as a mistake, that person should be disciplined for allowing an unauthorized person to be in the chat.

Story time

My friend was an officer with a communication MOS. She said the comms usually be jacked up in Iraq due to user error. So often, communication was made via sat phones.  Unsecured, but it worked better.  This was for minor stuff to bigger things like air strikes.  It was common practice, so no one got in trouble.  Her gripe was that on the radio, there's 1 knob that soldiers are told not to turn, leave it as is.  Often, it gets turned. This is the IT help desk call "is the unit plugged in".

Then when she was in training, cells were often used as well due to the same problem above.

Since we're honoring the age-old Hawaiian tradition of talk story ...

i created a chat server on the "high side' network using standard workstation and PC machines.  I used public domain, off-the-shelf software and integrated a half dozen applications and add-ons to field a secure, well-managed chat server farm.  I also installed a distributed gateway that allowed users to connect to the same IP address, but the actual chat connection would be directed to the server with the least number of connections to increase performance.  1,000 client connections on a single server tends to make the chat server unusable.  We had 4 servers. 

It became the Pacific theater's most reliable and robust form of communications other than secure phones, but something anyone with a device connected to the network could access.  it was so popular, the Pacific Navy used it for exercises, Persian gulf deployments, and even to transmit launch orders for cruise missiles at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

The system was bullet proof from a hacker standpoint.  Chat rooms with standardized names were stood up using BOTa.  Each room had one administrator plus 2 admin BOTs which allowed anyone with the passwords to use them as administrators (like me). Anyone granted access to a room had to be approved by a POC from that unit designated to grant access.  That information was sent to the room admin who then added the user to the room's list of authorized participants.  The user then received a password that was required upon entering the chat room.  Those passwords were sent to only secured, trusted email accounts.

During several exercises, the system was targeted heavily by the Red Team "Black hat" players whose job it was to find vulnerabilities and to try and infiltrate the exercise from outside.  They were given access to the network, having proven they could easily gain access through a number of means.

The main objective for the hackers was to try and gain access to our chat rooms, obviously because they could eaves drop on everything as well as have the chance to interject misinformation.  There was usually a proposed replacement for my chat system set up in tandem to determine if it was operationally secure.  Since I was using IRC Chat, something the Navy deemed insecure (because they didn't spend time evaluating how it can be made secure), they were chomping at the bit to get rid of it in favor of a "more secure" and expensive chat product.

In every exercise, the new product was used on day one while mine was only configured for operations but not yet being used.  By day 2, the new system had been so thoroughly compromised by the Red Team, using that chat was halted and continued on my system.  Nobody was ever able to attack or access the chat servers I built.  Fleet commanders were sending us praise saying our system enabled them for the first time to conduct operations and a hot wash post-deployment meeting via chat while still afloat.

Long story short -- protecting communications regardless of the client app is not new.  Someone with the experience and tasking should be able to make it that way whether it's on an approved secured network or not.  not everyone has immediate access to high side networks, so I understand how operations can't be at a standstill until everyone needed is able to be in front of a properly encrypted connection.  In those cases, there should be at a minimum someone involved to manage the technical and administrative tasks required to make the online meetings secure and available to everyone who should be participating -- and no one else.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2025, 03:29:42 PM »
The app used has been authorized for years now.

Did Mike mess up and invite the wrong person...of course.

I wonder how many other "breaches" there were in the past 2 admins who used the same app and it's once again the fake news making a big story about this occasion.

macsak

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2025, 04:46:15 PM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2025, 05:02:48 PM »
The app used has been authorized for years now.

Did Mike mess up and invite the wrong person...of course.

I wonder how many other "breaches" there were in the past 2 admins who used the same app and it's once again the fake news making a big story about this occasion.
People make mistakes, and government is people (as is Soylent Green).

The reason this made the news is we have a media intent on impeding Trump's administration.  I guarantee had this been the Biden cabinet, the journalist would have left the chat as soon as he realized he was seeing things he should not.  Have to ask why the journalist isn't being grilled for being in that chat in the first place.

If someone walks into your home uninvited after you accidentally left the front door unlocked, it's still a crime.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2025, 05:20:02 PM »
Allegedly.  Appeared to be authentic.  It's not a fact without evidence.  The WH National Security Council is not a person.  It's a group of cabinet members.  Not exactly someone/something you can call a source.

As for the "whatabout Hillary" statement, she was never held accountable for a list of blatant violations as enumerated by comey publicly.  Hypocritically (not "ironically"), you seem to expect Hegseth to be treated differently.

I expect Hegseth to be upheld to the high standards he touted when criticizing Hillary Clinton. He said she should have been fired and held criminally accountable. Hillary getting away with it is not an excuse for Hegseth to get away with it especially since he got on his high horse about it. So either he resigns or he shows he lacks integrity and stays put.

Yes, allegedly because that is what objectivity is.
What does it matter that the WH national Security Council is not a person? If they put out an official press release that is just as authoritative as if a particular individual said it. Trump is basically admitting it happened by the way, he said
“It’s just something that can happen. You can even prepare for it, and it can happen.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/25/trump-signal-group-chat-waltz-hegseth-updates/82649700007/

What is most telling here is that you are rushing to defend Hegseth rather than take the allegations with the seriousness it warrants. You go as far as to blame the journalist for all of this suggesting he should be investigated.  :wacko:
« Last Edit: March 25, 2025, 05:30:43 PM by eyeeatingfish »

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2025, 05:21:13 PM »
They probably leaked it on purpose knowing that the media would breathlessly run the story like it was another "gotcha-gate" but most non-brainwashed Americans would actually appreciate the expressed sentiments.

Congratulations EEF. You're working for Trump now.


That makes no sense, this isn't a nothing burger story to rile up the libz

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2025, 05:23:39 PM »
How credible is this journalist?

From what was released seemed to be about shit talking about Europe. Odd to have a serious chat group about war plans and attacking in 2 hours and go off on shit talking about EU.

And if anything was of importance, shame on the journalist for choosing to make a headline over being cool and quiet about it.  "Hey guys, I was included by mistake in this chat group, my name is...".  Basically the journalist is choosing career/5  seconds of fame/TDS over our nation.

The journalist chose not to disseminate any details of the conversation so as not to put anyone in danger. 5 seconds of fame? Do you not understand what journalists do as a profession? You expect a journalist to be handed a story about incompetence and possible corruption and just sit on it? So much for accountability for government, guess that is only a standard when democrats are in power huh?
« Last Edit: March 25, 2025, 05:29:41 PM by eyeeatingfish »

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2025, 05:27:41 PM »
Having a home server is much different from texting the wrong guy.  Esp since Pete never started the chat, it was Mike.  IDK if Pete has everyones number saved to his contacts. So if there were 30 people in the chat, no one has the time to check all the unsaved numbers, it's the responsibility of Mike, the guy who began the chat.

You missed the point, the biggest issue here is that the app Signal was used to share this information. Just like a private server, using a private messaging service means official conversations do not get documented properly, it makes it an off the books conversation not subject to keeping records.

If Signal were an approved app for having classified text messages then this wouldn't be nearly as big a story, it would be a dumb accident story.

macsak

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2025, 05:36:03 PM »
please show where the journalist said they chose not to disseminate so as not to put anyone in danger...

The journalist chose not to disseminate any details of the conversation so as not to put anyone in danger. 5 seconds of fame? Do you not understand what journalists do as a profession? You expect a journalist to be handed a story about incompetence and possible corruption and just sit on it? So much for accountability for government, guess that is only a standard when democrats are in power huh?

macsak

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2025, 05:37:35 PM »
you need to keep up
signal is approved for use...

You missed the point, the biggest issue here is that the app Signal was used to share this information. Just like a private server, using a private messaging service means official conversations do not get documented properly, it makes it an off the books conversation not subject to keeping records.

If Signal were an approved app for having classified text messages then this wouldn't be nearly as big a story, it would be a dumb accident story.

macsak

Re: Hegseth accidentally texted warplans to journalist.... ooops
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2025, 05:42:48 PM »
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